JKraver
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Not to mention the value of the dollar has dropped significantly every year. My sub 100 dollar grocery bill has gone to 120-140 and we buy the same things since last year,
This is why I don't understand anyone except JG doing Zirconia crowns for $100. It shouldn't matter what your fee is, as long as it's reasonable. I have doc who up-sell to zirconia as a premium restoration. WTH?! Why expect the lab to roll over on that?Let's say an I-phone cost $45 to make, Apple would be stupid to sell it for $80. Profit is made at the POS. Not hoping you can be priced low enough to sell 100,000 units into the future to make a profit.
This is exactly what I was asking, I want to know the brand, as it sounds like a cheap Chinese to me. I have twice the price per unit and I am using Katana, Pritidenta, Nacera, Aidite and Dental Direkt.
I am buying 4 of them from the same reseller so I am getting discount on volume on all of them and one I am buying directly from manufacturer with reseller prices. AG in our region is 1,5 times higher in price than any of the five I am using. And to answer your question - I am milling material that my clients know and request.Why are you using 5 different Zr lines? Your buying power is 20% of what it could potentially be. I use 2 suppliers, AG for my day to day stuff, and another one for my Full Arch work.
Exactly what every dental lab in Canada should be charging for models! Duh. Or more. But no, it’s a race to the bottom here. And in the US. The multi million, na billion dollar company is showing us the way to make money and no body is paying attention because we’re too nice. (How much!!!!!) no, no, no, we don’t have to charge that much. $30 is fine. O M G.Ok what about all the Canadian labs out there.
Argen charging 19/quadrant + 5/die + 25 shipping = 68$/model !!!!
Ok I am saving on pickup costs and making a model out of stone but... WOW
I cant imagine charging $60/case extra but I dont want to lose money either.
What are others charging, more than the cost, or take a loss on the models.
Maybe dont charge for shipping as most of my zircs come from argen anyway so maybe
I wont get dinged every time for shipping.
New Dr dont want to lose him but dont want to get screwed either.
There must be labs taking a loss on the models. I charged full for the models and only saw 3 cases from that Dr. He went back to his old lab. I would have liked the extra work but not willing to take a $60 hit on every case. I heard through the grapevine his complaint with the old lab was that they charged him for some remakes lol cheap bastard.Exactly what every dental lab in Canada should be charging for models! Duh. Or more. But no, it’s a race to the bottom here. And in the US. The multi million, na billion dollar company is showing us the way to make money and no body is paying attention because we’re too nice. (How much!!!!!) no, no, no, we don’t have to charge that much. $30 is fine. O M G.
Like I've said, why work to lose money. The other lab is not winning anything. Better to profit a $100 and go home at lunch than to work all day for $150There must be labs taking a loss on the models. I charged full for the models and only saw 3 cases from that Dr. He went back to his old lab. I would have liked the extra work but not willing to take a $60 hit on every case. I heard through the grapevine his complaint with the old lab was that they charged him for some remakes lol cheap bastard.
The real problem is labs not charging for the model and the Dr's who are not willing to pay for the technology. (And maybe the crappy sales people who never mention the cost of the models)
full work pans do not mean you are a successNo Charge unless we do JUST models. Then its $30/case. The model charge is built into the crown fee of $99.
Labor:
Case Entry - $1.50
Model Design - 4.00
Crown Design- 4.00
Nesting/Milling- 3.50
De-Puck/Sinter- 3.50
Finish/S+G - 8.00
Billing - $1.50
Delivery - $3.00
Overhead - $1.25
Materials:
Model Resin- 4.25
ZR Preshaded/ML - 4.00
Finishing - 1.00
S+G - 3.00
Crown Box - .50
Total= $43.00 ( 56.6% Profit)
Know your numbers, your costs and your margins. Then you can make an informed decision on what to charge and where your prices should be.
price comparison is more important to you than profit margin?I couldn't charge that as a 1 man show and im at +/- 60%, not charging for models, whereas the competition charges 30...
and im definitely not charging 99 a crown.
so, my question would be "where is your competitions pricing at comparatively?" and "how does your quality compare?"
these are more important questions to me than anything
and if all "I" get is $8 fk dollars to contour, stain and glaze a crown...
then I quit.
Thank you for the numbers! Finally someone puts down the brass tacks.No Charge unless we do JUST models. Then its $30/case. The model charge is built into the crown fee of $99.
Labor:
Case Entry - $1.50
Model Design - 4.00
Crown Design- 4.00
Nesting/Milling- 3.50
De-Puck/Sinter- 3.50
Finish/S+G - 8.00
Billing - $1.50
Delivery - $3.00
Overhead - $1.25
Materials:
Model Resin- 4.25
ZR Preshaded/ML - 4.00
Finishing - 1.00
S+G - 3.00
Crown Box - .50
Total= $43.00 ( 56.6% Profit)
Know your numbers, your costs and your margins. Then you can make an informed decision on what to charge and where your prices should be.
$35 bucks included in total price 5 or more years ago (analogue model) , guess prices are going down nowJust a side note to charging for printing 3D models. My fee for poured models went up at the same time as I integrated 3D. Why would I not try to be consistent in my pricing? as the joke goes: "Thirty bucks is thirty bucks."
Now how's your grocery bill???Not to mention the value of the dollar has dropped significantly every year. My sub 100 dollar grocery bill has gone to 120-140 and we buy the same things since last year,