Help ! setting IO Bites

[Al.]

Am I chasing the wind trying to set quadrant scans from Trios files ?

Spent 15 min on one today and said hell with it.
Is it possible to do it consistently enough for FCZ or FGC posteriors??

 

[2thm8kr]

You shouldn't be setting any bite from IOS. Convince them of the importance of getting the bite scan correct with the patient in the chair.
Sometimes its best to do the bite scan first before the patient is fatigued from the procedure. Waiting on the anesthesia to set in is the perfect time to get a bite and shade + photos.

 

[CoolHandLuke]

You shouldn't be setting any bite from IOS. Convince them of the importance of getting the bite scan correct with the patient in th chair.
Sometimes its best to do the bite scan first before then patient is fatigued from the procedure. Waiting on the anesthesia to set in is the perfect time to get a bite and shade + photos.

true, however everyone who has owned a 3shape or a trios will demo how poorly it captures, and aligns a bite.

its so incredibly poor.

 

[doug]

I would love to have a feature in Exocad that would allow to put points on occlusal surfaces, similar to matching a pre-op to a working model, that would allow the bite to "Snap" into place.

 

[2thm8kr]

true, however everyone who has owned a 3shape or a trios will demo how poorly it captures, and aligns a bite.

its so incredibly poor.

Now i fully understand why 3Sheep charges so much for their products.

 

[GG - J]

I believe dental wings has a feature like that for adjusting bites on the screen

 

[SiKBOY]

I get trios scan Everyday. The bite is out on the majority of scans. There are always intrusions. I've resorted to designing with an open occlusion and then re articulating the printed models and grinding in the bite.

 

[Al.]

I get trios scan Everyday. The bite is out on the majority of scans. There are always intrusions. I've resorted to designing with an open occlusion and then re articulating the printed models and grinding in the bite.

Ugh grinding in the bite
I think better leave out off occ them layer some occlusal contacts ?

 

[Al.]

How can model less crowns be dialed in with out being able to set the bites ?

 

[2thm8kr]

Other IOS have more reliable bite scanning and registration. If bites are a known issue with Trios, you are not going model less with any sort of predictability.

 

[rkm rdt]

When Trios dentists are trained by HS sales reps then anything is possible.
I don't have that problem because my drs are trained by me to take proper bites and scans.

if you want to solve your problems then have the dr join the Trios study Club on FB and do it right.

 

[Al.]

When Trios dentists are trained by HS sales reps then anything is possible.
I don't have that problem because my drs are trained by me to take proper bites and scans.

if you want to solve your problems then have the dr join the Trios study Club on FB and do it right.

So Rob it is all dependent on the Dr scanning a correct bite ?
You have confidence to design Gold crowns from your Drs scans ?

 

[rkm rdt]

So Rob it is all dependent on the Dr scanning a correct bite ?
You have confidence to design Gold crowns from your Drs scans ?

absolutely

I do most of my crowns through Trios scans. Never a bite issue on my end.
Are you seeing open bites in your software? ( exocad I assume)
Is the dentist or the assistant taking the scans?

I will sometimes see a funky bite come in. I will call to verify what I see. If no then the dr can resend.
Can your optimize the bite in your software?

 

[Al.]

absolutely

I do most of my crowns through Trios scans. Never a bite issue on my end.
Are you seeing open bites in your software? ( exocad I assume)
Is the dentist or the assistant taking the scans?

I will sometimes see a funky bite come in. I will call to verify what I see. If no then the dr can resend.
Can your optimize the bite in your software?

No I have the E3 scanner and Asiga printer

 

[rkm rdt]

 

[Al.]

Rob is it possible to model build and print models then go back and final design crowns using bite from models ?

 

[Al.]

Or is that jumping through hoops

 

[rkm rdt]

No I have the E3 scanner and Asiga printer

nice!

If the bite looks good on your end , then you can set your crowns out of occlusion by .1 or.2 mm. I set mine at .2mm out to compensate for the gc initial paste thickness for my fczs

 

[rkm rdt]

Rob is it possible to model build and print models then go back and final design crowns using bite from models ?

Keep in mind that it is more accurate to design your crowns from the scans than from the model.
This is how the modeless dudes do it.
I do models.They are used to check the bite and contacts like a solid pour model. My dies are printed separately,not as part of the model.

 

[Al.]

Ok thanks