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I think we have so much fun here on DLN that everybody and their brother want to be dental techs just like us!arty:
Are you and your colleges willing to pay more for your anterior work then?
Your lab will have to make up for the lost revenue somehow?
I'm not sure it is entirely through ignorance John. Pressure to lower our fees is coming from all angles. We have outsourceing , we have implant companies,we even have other techs coming on here, looking for the average fee everyone charges only to turn around and drop it by 10 %.
We even have cad/cam which facilitates the lowering of fees through labour savings.I think you mentioned this as one of your plans for 2013.
I'm not sure we can put the genie back in the bottle.
I am willing to pay more for a nice restoration but "more" becomes tricky! As i said for posterior teeth patients do not care. They just want to be out of the chair. For 6 - 11 they care a lot. But again what is "more" for a crown. If you come and tell me "I'll make you the BEST looking #8 you have ever seen and I'll charge you $250" yet I know it costs you $10 to make it I'll say "he must be greedy" and I wont buy it. On the other hand if the guy next door can make me something nice and can make it match well for $150 I'll probably buy from him. It all depends on my experience. Currently I pay 130 for emax anterior teeth and I am very happy. I've had 1 or maybe 2 returns in 3 years. Fit is always perfect (thx to iTero) and shade is 90% right on. Why change?
Are prices being driven down everwhere, because they are here at all levels ! But i don`t see dentists charging less !!
We have the same pressures but fortunately the lab fee is separate from the dentist's fee here.That eliminates the dentist from finding a lab that melts down car bumpers to make pfms so he can save $10.
Luckily for the patients, I care about what their posterior crowns look like...
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Labor: $0.
Staff is already on the payroll.
First I’d like to say I wont argue with anyone but I’ll show you my business plan. I welcome any criticism and I wont get offended … actually I think it will be a great learning experience:
ROI plan:
Currently:
250 FCZ crowns/year at $99 = 24,750
20 implant crowns/ year at $190 = 3,800
TOTAL: $28,550
Future:
I have quotes on zirconia 98*/14mm discs for $130 (local guy so no shipping) and I can mill about 25-30 crowns on average. This makes a crown cost $5.20 plus an additional $3.00 for tools, electricity and other so total $8.20.
250 FCZ x $8.20 = $2,050
20 implants x $8.20 = $164
Labor: $0 – I guess I’ll spend less time on facebook. Staff is already on the payroll. And yes design takes 10-12min – I timed myself today. And for those critics I’ll post a pic of a milled crown in wax. Milling takes 15-20min. Staining is tricky – staff will learn it though – I’m not concerned. And after all I’ll be doing posterior teeth only…. so besides me and my hygienist no one will see back there. And from experience let me tell you – unless we are talking about 6 though 11 patients DO NOT CARE how their molar looks like! But thats only for as long as it is not black!
Unforeseen issues: $1000/year
TOTAL: $3,214
Total savings: $28,550 – $3,214 = $25,336/year
Further more – now when I can make inlays and onlays and deliver them the same day (lava ultimate or other materials) I’ll have much more things to offer and increase production. I wont include this in the calculations though!
Total investment:
ezMill: $31,000
oven: $14,000
exocad: $5000 – I chose this because there are no yearly fees.
PC and zirconia staining: $1400
Other things along the way: $600
Total Investment: $52,000
So break even point: 2 years. Have in mind I will definitely increase production through inlays/onlays, and I can become a provider of more ins. since profit margin is better now.
Someone also asked about the scanner – why iTero and not 3M’s true definition or Trios. Well the reason is because iTero was FREE!!! I got it from the old doctor who sold me the practice.
OK guys its your turn … hit me hard!
I would love to see you post some of your seated anterior cases here in the "Case Presentation" section or in the "Cosmetic Section" on Dental Towne for pier review.Hi Everyone,
I see my idea was not well accepted. And thats ok ... I understand. I would probably feel the same way if someone came up with a "cavity vaccine" But they have not yet.... so you can say anything you want and you can be as unhappy and you want and can tell me as many times as you want that this is not going to work (which I was told many times about dental school aka that I can never do it) but here is the bottom line: there is a lab right now right here in the US that is going to suffer a 25K less in production in 2013 just because of me. PERIOD! So good luck to all of you. I was just trying to be helpful to the once who can see through all this ... and the short sighted once ... well have fun ... Take care ...
Hi Everyone,
I see my idea was not well accepted. And thats ok ... I understand. I would probably feel the same way if someone came up with a "cavity vaccine" But they have not yet.... so you can say anything you want and you can be as unhappy and you want and can tell me as many times as you want that this is not going to work (which I was told many times about dental school aka that I can never do it) but here is the bottom line: there is a lab right now right here in the US that is going to suffer a 25K less in production in 2013 just because of me. PERIOD! So good luck to all of you. I was just trying to be helpful to the once who can see through all this ... and the short sighted once ... well have fun ... Take care ...
First I’d like to say I wont argue with anyone but I’ll show you my business plan. I welcome any criticism and I wont get offended
Currently:
250 FCZ crowns/year at $99 = 24,750
20 implant crowns/ year at $190 = 3,800
patients DO NOT CARE
OK guys its your turn … hit me hard!