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Hey everyone ,
I would like to re introduce myself to this forum, came here about 8 months
or so ago and asked some questions about the Sirona system , which I had already put in the lab I would post a link to that thread but not quite sure how to do it, at any rate I have worked with the newest version of the whole system for about 9 months now and this is the conclusion I have come to.
First when purchasing I was given the option of returning the system within one year of purchase and only having to pay interest on loan , and no depretiation, so I feel like I can give this somewhat of a fair review.
Having never delved into the cad aspect I had only previously out sourced my e.max and zirc copings and FC crowns. So I knew I had to do something to get onboard the Cad/cam train. I looked at several systems and there was so many options and so much confusion as which does what and what do I really need. Well when I got this option from Patterson I felt like I really could not loose and would give it a try.
So far I have not experianced the complete and total nightmare some of you have had to deal with. Most of my Drs. give me really text book type preps and adequit clearance for restorations , Fits for e.max take on average about 1.5 to 2 minutes , fits on zirc about the same. That being said these times are only on the perfect preps, as I have started to pick up more buisness preps have begun not to be quite so perfect and times on those could be as much as 5 - 15 minutes , But in order to compete with the bigger labs my prices had to drop and my Dr. preferences had to change to accomodate more buisness.
So as my time comes near to give back system or keep it I have some more questions for those in the know.
I am now reviewing a trial of the 3-shape system , it seems much more intuitive tha sirona , but as of now a bit more clumsy , but I also know this will change with use, what I do like is the open archtecture and a lot of the features I dont have , but will the new sirona 4.0 software change that ? I havealso come to the conclusion that I really dont want to outsource if I dont have to . so in order to do the same restorations I am looking at the Origin 4000 system.
I will be going to chicago and will get to look at all of the above , Origin , 3-shape and Sironas new 4.0. I really am leaning heavly towards the 3-shape with the Origin mill for roughly the same cost as what I have now, plus open archtecture , as always I am thinking about re-sell if it ever comes to that. will basicliy get squat for Sirona , but am thinking could recoup most for the other.
sorry for being this long winded , but now can reply and hopefully validate some of my concerns . Will any of you be in Chicago , maybe meet up at the bar for a drink. In the past year I have learned much from this forum and value the tips and insight , from now on will hopefully be able to contribute myself as I have about 26 years of pent up knowledge in the dental lab.
Thanks.
I would like to re introduce myself to this forum, came here about 8 months
or so ago and asked some questions about the Sirona system , which I had already put in the lab I would post a link to that thread but not quite sure how to do it, at any rate I have worked with the newest version of the whole system for about 9 months now and this is the conclusion I have come to.
First when purchasing I was given the option of returning the system within one year of purchase and only having to pay interest on loan , and no depretiation, so I feel like I can give this somewhat of a fair review.
Having never delved into the cad aspect I had only previously out sourced my e.max and zirc copings and FC crowns. So I knew I had to do something to get onboard the Cad/cam train. I looked at several systems and there was so many options and so much confusion as which does what and what do I really need. Well when I got this option from Patterson I felt like I really could not loose and would give it a try.
So far I have not experianced the complete and total nightmare some of you have had to deal with. Most of my Drs. give me really text book type preps and adequit clearance for restorations , Fits for e.max take on average about 1.5 to 2 minutes , fits on zirc about the same. That being said these times are only on the perfect preps, as I have started to pick up more buisness preps have begun not to be quite so perfect and times on those could be as much as 5 - 15 minutes , But in order to compete with the bigger labs my prices had to drop and my Dr. preferences had to change to accomodate more buisness.
So as my time comes near to give back system or keep it I have some more questions for those in the know.
I am now reviewing a trial of the 3-shape system , it seems much more intuitive tha sirona , but as of now a bit more clumsy , but I also know this will change with use, what I do like is the open archtecture and a lot of the features I dont have , but will the new sirona 4.0 software change that ? I havealso come to the conclusion that I really dont want to outsource if I dont have to . so in order to do the same restorations I am looking at the Origin 4000 system.
I will be going to chicago and will get to look at all of the above , Origin , 3-shape and Sironas new 4.0. I really am leaning heavly towards the 3-shape with the Origin mill for roughly the same cost as what I have now, plus open archtecture , as always I am thinking about re-sell if it ever comes to that. will basicliy get squat for Sirona , but am thinking could recoup most for the other.
sorry for being this long winded , but now can reply and hopefully validate some of my concerns . Will any of you be in Chicago , maybe meet up at the bar for a drink. In the past year I have learned much from this forum and value the tips and insight , from now on will hopefully be able to contribute myself as I have about 26 years of pent up knowledge in the dental lab.
Thanks.