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I understand. Intriging idea.

Another note.
Even if the missing teeth are only 7-10 for example but the space is very wide, use 6-11 or even 5-12.

I had a partial as a kid with horse teeth on it because technically I am only missing 7-10 plus bone but the gap is wide and I have generally small teeth.

Just something to keep in mind
 
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Another note.
Even if the missing teeth are only 7-10 for example but the space is very wide, use 6-11 or even 5-12.

I had a partial as a kid with horse teeth on it because technically I am only missing 7-10 plus bone but the gap is wide and I have generally small teeth.

Just something to keep in mind
Thank you.
 
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Oo also let the patient know that when the device is in place it may feel like his tongue does not have enough room. It is so weird to get used to.
 
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Thank you.
Another thought. Acetal resin may also provide as I above, shading is a bit of an issue though. Can modify with GC Optiglaze which works well for sure. Could even bond on milled PMMA teeth over it in the anterior.[emoji4]
 
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Another thought. Acetal resin may also provide as I above, shading is a bit of an issue though. Can modify with GC Optiglaze which works well for sure. Could even bond on milled PMMA teeth over it in the anterior.[emoji4]
I was of the belief that acetyl resins do not chemically bond to pmma. Am I misinformed, or misunderstanding?
Thank you for you help.
 
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I was of the belief that acetyl resins do not chemically bond to pmma. Am I misinformed, or misunderstanding?
Thank you for you help.
Would be mechanical retention. Just a thought[emoji4]
 
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I was of the belief that acetyl resins do not chemically bond to pmma. Am I misinformed, or misunderstanding?
Thank you for you help.
It will be under a bracket how esthetic are you really worried about here?
 
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Another thought. Acetal resin may also provide as I above, shading is a bit of an issue though. Can modify with GC Optiglaze which works well for sure. Could even bond on milled PMMA teeth over it in the anterior.[emoji4]
If you are going though the trouble to mill facings in acrylic and mechanically bond them why not just mill the entire thing out of pmma?
 
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If you are going though the trouble to mill facings in acrylic and mechanically bond them why not just mill the entire thing out of pmma?
Just considering the strength factor.
 
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Just considering the strength factor.
Ya, if you were to mill them like temps maybe but if made lingual monolithic and without embrasure I don't see a terrible difference in fracture strength.
 
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What does this kid look like now?
 
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Greetings all. Thank you for at least looking. This is one of the cases that you learn from doing.
I need some help from my fellow tooth geeks.

I'm going to lay out the case, and then come back with a follow up post about the solutions I have.

I have been handed this case by a minor's Orthodontist. What I know about Ortho could fill 1/2 a sheet of paper, and the Doc knows that, but together he and I sat down and came up with one solution, but I want to be certain it is the best possible. He was referred to me by a GP DDS as his Ortho lab was uncomfortable.

The patient congenitally has no max anteriors, nor did the ridge develop. He still has his deciduous premolar and molar on R and L, but they are undererupted and offer no undercuts being cusps only, at around a 45deg angle.

It has been discussed that anything we do will need to be replaced or updated every year or two as he matures, that being one of the challenges in planning. Also, plans are afoot for surgical specialists for a building of the missing structures to provide a permanent adult solution in the future. But that is not possible yet.

The goal is to get this young fellow some anterior teeth, lip support, and possibly fundamentally change his life.

Here's some pictures, I've tried to include as much visual information as possible, but if there's something that didn't show well, please ask.
The provided bite is arranged correctly, but open roughly uniformly. The mand ants are about 1.5-2mm from the max arch at natural closure. Some mild opening is already being done by the additions to the mand premolars that are visible.

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The shadow will hopefully offer some depth inference.
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Measurements (the tip of that ruler is cut to about 1mm longer than the 0 point)
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The position of the lower anteriors is slightly anterior of standard for having no antagonists, and that is being reined in by the braces. My initial guess of the proper labial surface arch is in pencil.


What would you offer/suggest/plan/provide were this your case?
I would do a full upper or cast partial with CUSIL around the molars,
Or an all acrylic for lighter weight with some palatal reinforcement and CUSIL around the molars for the retention.
 
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I guess we'll never know since @JMN is out of business and hasn't been on here since the end of April. :(
 

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