I want a 3D printer mainly for surgical guides, please suggest one

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Hi, I'm new to the implant world, but ready to drop some $$$ to make my implant life easier and cheaper, what 3D printer that is sub 1000usd can print accurate and reliable surgical guides? I mainly use Blueskybio... I keep noticing a lot of you guys mention Phrozen sonic 4k a lot, is it good enough for my needs? thank you.
 
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Big fan of Phrozen as my post show. If all you need is guides you can’t get better than Sonic Mini 4k. As stated before (sorry for the broken record) Keystone has their guide resin validated for it. Your ROI (printer and 1 bottle of resin) can be achieved in as few as 7 surgical guides if priced at $100.
 
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Big fan of Phrozen as my post show. If all you need is guides you can’t get better than Sonic Mini 4k. As stated before (sorry for the broken record) Keystone has their guide resin validated for it. Your ROI (printer and 1 bottle of resin) can be achieved in as few as 7 surgical guides if priced at $100.
just to be sure, is this the one?:
 
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just to be sure, is this the one?:

Yes and no. The most recent manufactured one’s are on Phrozens website. Nothing wrong with that one other than it may be an older version of the 4K. Kind of like getting a new car. You can get it when they first arrive on the lot. Or wait just before the year ends. With the later being beneficial because of small tweaks they fix during the year. I will add that particular one is $100 less, not sure why. Just make sure it comes with the manufactured warranty. Good luck.
 
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Definitely recommend Phrozen 3D Sonic Mini 4K. Works like a charm.
 
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So, Phrozen Sonic Mini 4k + Phrozen 4k resin + curing light? = perfect surgical guide?... what kind of curing light machine do you guys recommend? can I use this?
 
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I’m using Sprintrays Procure 1. It was about $1,200 at the time. They have since come out with the Procure 2 which is better in every way. Talking 10 min cures or less for dentures models maybe 2 minutes. But it’s more expensive. It all revolves around what your going to use it for (and possible future applications),how much time your willing to wait for the cure and finally your budget.
If you plan on using Keystones Guide resin then they do a fantastic job with listing every printer and curebox that are validated for their resins.
 
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I’m using Sprintrays Procure 1. It was about $1,200 at the time. They have since come out with the Procure 2 which is better in every way. Talking 10 min cures or less for dentures models maybe 2 minutes. But it’s more expensive. It all revolves around what your going to use it for (and possible future applications),how much time your willing to wait for the cure and finally your budget.
If you plan on using Keystones Guide resin then they do a fantastic job with listing every printer and curebox that are validated for their resins.
My budget is less than 1000 usd, my only use is for surgical guides, and curing time is not an issue at all
 
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So, Phrozen Sonic Mini 4k + Phrozen 4k resin + curing light? = perfect surgical guide?... what kind of curing light machine do you guys recommend? can I use this?
As perfect as any other.
 
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So, Phrozen Sonic Mini 4k + Phrozen 4k resin + curing light? = perfect surgical guide?... what kind of curing light machine do you guys recommend? can I use this?
We use the AnyCubic curing light, but really any curing light works!
 
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Big fan of Phrozen as my post show. If all you need is guides you can’t get better than Sonic Mini 4k. As stated before (sorry for the broken record) Keystone has their guide resin validated for it. Your ROI (printer and 1 bottle of resin) can be achieved in as few as 7 surgical guides if priced at $100.
Whats the difference between Keystone guide resin (250usd) and Phrozen 4k resin (40usd)? and is it worth the price differece?
 
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Well one is for surgical guides the other is not.
 
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Whats the difference between Keystone guide resin (250usd) and Phrozen 4k resin (40usd)? and is it worth the price differece?
Any resin that goes into the mouth has to be cleared by the FDA for use. Some classifications are for less than 10 minutes in the mouth (custom trays, guides). The other classification is for anything over that time (dentures, temps, crowns, nightguards, etc).

You can’t just print any resin for use in the mouth or you will be sued for every penny if either a patient, doctor or regulatory body finds out. For printing modes use whatever works but for use in the mouth it has to be a Class lla medical device and your printer and curebox have to be validated for use with that resin. That’s why I stated earlier Keystone does a fantastic job of listing every printer and curebox that works (validated) with their resin.
 
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Any resin that goes into the mouth has to be cleared by the FDA for use. Some classifications are for less than 10 minutes in the mouth (custom trays, guides). The other classification is for anything over that time (dentures, temps, crowns, nightguards, etc).

You can’t just print any resin for use in the mouth or you will be sued for every penny if either a patient, doctor or regulatory body finds out. For printing modes use whatever works but for use in the mouth it has to be a Class lla medical device and your printer and curebox have to be validated for use with that resin. That’s why I stated earlier Keystone does a fantastic job of listing every printer and curebox that works (validated) with their resin.
Thank you for the valuable details, other than this, is there a difference?
 
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Color, guides are preferred clear. Maybe others can speak on other aspects that make a good guide resin.
 
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Also the Phrozen printers have NextDent resins in their profile-- so I use the NextDent surgical guide material, it's translucent yellow-ish and can be autoclaved. I've got the older sonic 4k and it's been excellent-- the newer ones are about triple the price of what I paid, and I'm trying to workout if they are almost the same or very upgraded... the descriptions make them sound much faster but I'm not sure as the settings look the same (?)
 
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Hi, Can
Big fan of Phrozen as my post show. If all you need is guides you can’t get better than Sonic Mini 4k. As stated before (sorry for the broken record) Keystone has their guide resin validated for it. Your ROI (printer and 1 bottle of resin) can be achieved in as few as 7 surgical guides if priced at $100.
you please give the parameters to make surgical guides with Phrozen mini 4K printer.
Thank you.
 

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