COVID-19 RESTRICTION AND LOCKDOWNS- HOW YOU COPING??

[rkm rdt]

I sure hope President Harris doesn't make you convert it too electric.

 

[RileyS]

. I'm going to keep circling back to this point of the US Military requiring everyone be vaccinated because I'm haven't heard a plausible reason why they'd do it if they didn't think it was helping. They assessed the science and risk associated, and concluded that making sure everyone was vaccinated was the best thing to do to be prepared and prevent soldiers from getting sick.

I’ll go ahead share my fears about your military point.
if you never heard about the list of the types of citizens that would be found on the governments domestic terrorist list you can go read what they have written up on the government web site. Many items are regarding people that want limited government, fear of a growing government overreach, racist groups-specifically white supremacists, violent environmentalists and so on. Consider the fact that school teachers, university professors, celebrities, BLM, MSM, politicians, pro athletes, “influencers,” major businesses, pro sports leagues, and on and on call all white people naturally born racists and that they demand socialist/marxist principals be implemented by businesses and government and education. Add to that, the sheer hatred and open violent remarks and “entertainment” style acts of murder towards trump, who is a white supremacist as are anyone who supports him, by celebrities, politicians, news anchors and on and on. The people being forced out of the military are the people who most likely strongly believe in the freedoms of this country. Thus, leaving a more socialist/marxist accepting military.
so combine that remaining military with the government terrorist watch list, an overwhelming majority of what you see on tv and social media, a president singling out one specific group of Americans and sharing that the other group of Americans and he have little patience left for them, and sprinkle in a bit of world history and that’s how you get me, someone who’s been told he was born a natural racist and who believes in a limited government and the constitution and bill of rights and Declaration of Independence as articles that acknowledge freedom for all men equally. I’m actually a good fit for a domestic terrorist apparently. I hope that the threats of being treated like a, well a 1930’s German Jew, with travel restricted and where I can work restricted and where and when I can shop…I hope that’s just a few rogue big people with loud voices saying that crap and not a majority of Americans.
you say you have to remove the middle man of where you get your information. I have to ask, where do you hear that 99% of all hospitalizations are the non vaccinated? I try to do the same as you and our numbers are vastly different.

 

[Affinity]

Whats the main difference between DDT, roundup, Vioxx (or the other 4400 approved products FDA recalled in a year) and anything labeled as a vaccine?




..the liability of the manufacturer. Its federal law. Very few people can pull the plug on something like this, the FDA board members are the former drug peddlers, and even they are jumping ship.
Its not that anyone is intentionally doing harm by omitting certain truth, its that they dont even care or stand to be held accountable. Public citizens cannot form a civil lawsuit even if there are 1000s of victims. (which there are)

"oops, it turns out that tiny change to your DNA will make you infertile or feel like acid is running through your veins, if you notice these symptoms, please consult a Dr"
Dr. Bottomofhisclass says 'This sudden onset of twitching, headaches, microscopic blood clots, paralysis, heart problems... this couldnt possibly be due to the safe and effective shot you had last month. Let me run some more tests'
If you remove the middlemen, youll see a lot of videos like this floating around. So wheres the conspiracy, the sick people?

 

[A. M.]

I think it's a waste of time...
He linked a study, without even reading it. I asked to prove the 99% for me... and I showed "true" numbers the news were showing.
BUT when he replied to a comment saying : "If people don't wanna get vaccinated they don't have to, but choices have consequences."
It said everything! But tell it to people who had injuries, because it's safe to take the shot...
I don't care if you get the shot, or don't. The point is Don't take away people's right to chose for themselves. And that is what's happening. Why is one group better then the other? You chose for ONLY yourself. Vaccinated or not, you can spread it anyway.
Is it responsible to stay home when you are sick? Yes, but for me it's normal. Maybe not for everybody, I get it. So educate people and help them, because I understand not everybody can afford to not have a paycheck for 2 weeks or more. But locking down millions of healthy people?!
A lot of people are walking out of their job, or forced out of their job because they chose differently. If you ever get in the hospital and you need care, covid or anything else, the smallest worry you will have if that the nurse or dr is vaccinated or not. I wouldn't even ask. Just as nobody asked them before when they were taking care of you what kind of sickness they have, had, or when was their last test for anything.
And I just wonder sometimes... wth were thought here in school in history about the WWII and Hitler? He was awesome, or what???
Because born and raised in Europe... we had it different. Hearing stories from grandparents born before the war, and after living in communism...
And even if you are not a communist country from one day to the other, trust me, people's mindset don't change overnight. You might call it different but if the same people stay in their positions, not much changed! It's just called something else...

 

[LuthorCorp]

Its circular because one camp will not bend to the other its the same, it goes round and round both sides baffled at how someone could have the stance they do. You don't have to get the vaccine, but if you want to do certain things you cant unless your vaccinated. You do not have a right to go into every store you want, you are allowed because they allow you. There are the stories of people getting covid who were anti vax saying how they wished they had the vaccine because the symptoms were terrible, there are stories of people getting complications after getting the vaccine, its all anecdotal and used to affirm everyone's intrenched opinion.


There is risk in progression and things thought to be good can turn out to be bad, doesn't mean the process is invalid. Ignoring facts or nitpicking certain points to solidify a specific opinion just creates layers of false information and distrust in everything.

You have people devoting their lives to helping progress and help humanity demeaned to government puppets because its some big conspiracy of control.

 

[Affinity]

The fuel of communism is mass propaganda,unaudited elections.. how is that any different than US 2020? Everyone knows it and were powerless.

 

[Affinity]

You have people devoting their lives to helping progress and help humanity demeaned to government puppets because its some big conspiracy of control.

Please name these 'people' you are referring to. Who has helped you through covid?

 

[LuthorCorp]

Please name these 'people' you are referring to. Who has helped you through covid?

The countless numbers of scientist that have spent countless hours working around the clock to work on a vaccine for a global pandemic that came out of nowhere. These people helped us regain a semblance of normalcy, and anti maskers, anti vaxxers and those that spread false information from irreputable sources do nothing but hold everything back.

 

[Doris A]

I may be just one person who was told I had covid when I didn't, but I'm sure there are a lot more out there being misdiagnosed as well just so the hospital can get more government money. A few weeks ago I couldn't get in to see my Dr. so he told me to go to urgent care. I was running a fever, had chills, and my chest was on fire every time I coughed. The PA that I saw was very thorough. Tested me for covid, flu, and after hearing a crackle in my left lung ordered x-rays. The results were negative for covid, positive for flu part B, and Radiologist confirmed pneumonia in my left lung. she sent me to the ER to have blood work done that they couldn't do there. After sitting in the waiting room for a while they did their own x-rays before I saw the PA there. When I got in to see her in her office, she wanted to know why I was there. Told her for blood work for pneumonia and flu. She told me that I didn't have the flu that I had covid. I told her that the result was negative. She informed me that she didn't believe the rapid test and wanted to do a PCR. OK. So I asked if she was going to do blood work for the pneumonia and she said you don't have pneumonia, you have covid! She hadn't even looked at the x-ray that was on her screen. By this time I'm getting ticked, I told her the Radiologist that morning said I DID! She glanced at the screen and said well maybe a touch, but you don't need labs. She listened to my back in 2 places. That was the extent of her exam of me. The nurse took me to an exam room to do the PCR and also said the Radiologist would have my results in a half an hour. He came back with my scripts for the pneumonia! The PCR results came back the next day...NEGATIVE for covid and the flu. To this day my diagnosis in Sentara's My Chart is covid!
So no I don't believe in the numbers that you see on TV! Oh, and I got the $2000. ER bill this morning. Thanks to hubby being retired military my share of that is minimal. But what about the people that don't have insurance?!?!?

 

[HonestAbe]

I’ll go ahead share my fears about your military point.
if you never heard about the list of the types of citizens that would be found on the governments domestic terrorist list you can go read what they have written up on the government web site. Many items are regarding people that want limited government, fear of a growing government overreach, racist groups-specifically white supremacists, violent environmentalists and so on. Consider the fact that school teachers, university professors, celebrities, BLM, MSM, politicians, pro athletes, “influencers,” major businesses, pro sports leagues, and on and on call all white people naturally born racists and that they demand socialist/marxist principals be implemented by businesses and government and education. Add to that, the sheer hatred and open violent remarks and “entertainment” style acts of murder towards trump, who is a white supremacist as are anyone who supports him, by celebrities, politicians, news anchors and on and on. The people being forced out of the military are the people who most likely strongly believe in the freedoms of this country. Thus, leaving a more socialist/marxist accepting military.
so combine that remaining military with the government terrorist watch list, an overwhelming majority of what you see on tv and social media, a president singling out one specific group of Americans and sharing that the other group of Americans and he have little patience left for them, and sprinkle in a bit of world history and that’s how you get me, someone who’s been told he was born a natural racist and who believes in a limited government and the constitution and bill of rights and Declaration of Independence as articles that acknowledge freedom for all men equally. I’m actually a good fit for a domestic terrorist apparently. I hope that the threats of being treated like a, well a 1930’s German Jew, with travel restricted and where I can work restricted and where and when I can shop…I hope that’s just a few rogue big people with loud voices saying that crap and not a majority of Americans.
you say you have to remove the middle man of where you get your information. I have to ask, where do you hear that 99% of all hospitalizations are the non vaccinated? I try to do the same as you and our numbers are vastly different.

Thanks for the thorough reply, I won't be able to really dive into it until I get home after work, but to the last question about the 99% it's from the Associated Press's analysis of the CDC's data. I trust the AP because the whole point of their serivce, and how they make their money, is to be about the facts of what happened and when. They're not shoveling opinions on top of the facts. You can read any newspaper, or go to any major news network (right and left) and you will find they use the AP and other similar services.

 

[sidesh0wb0b]

Please name these 'people' you are referring to. Who has helped you through covid?

ooooooo i know i know! its the honest and amazing and impeccable true journalists at the AP and Reuters!! those are the people helping progress and help humanity.

 

[RileyS]

Its circular because one camp will not bend to the other its the same, it goes round and round both sides baffled at how someone could have the stance they do. You don't have to get the vaccine, but if you want to do certain things you cant unless your vaccinated. You do not have a right to go into every store you want, you are allowed because they allow you. There are the stories of people getting covid who were anti vax saying how they wished they had the vaccine because the symptoms were terrible, there are stories of people getting complications after getting the vaccine, its all anecdotal and used to affirm everyone's intrenched opinion.


There is risk in progression and things thought to be good can turn out to be bad, doesn't mean the process is invalid. Ignoring facts or nitpicking certain points to solidify a specific opinion just creates layers of false information and distrust in everything.

You have people devoting their lives to helping progress and help humanity demeaned to government puppets because its some big conspiracy of control.

I agree with everything you said but this. An individual store can decline your business and I'm fine with that, unless it's a cake for a LGBTQr couple. The government should absolutely not tell a business owner who they can serve. I'll clarify, the United States of America government should not. Maybe your from canada or elsewhere
But I do agree with you.
I think if we did an experiment here, we could have one person bring one fact with research to back it up and another person could find refuting and opposite facts with sources as well.
For example i'd like the truth of what's going on in what I thnk is Pradesh India. a state of india about the population size of the us, maybe 1/3 less, who had a huge spike in cases and treated patients with ivermectin and after five weeks they have nearly completely abolished new cases and had significantly fewer deaths. I have read several articles about it from obscure websites I've never heard of but they include footnotes to legitimate universtiy and major US hospital data on the topic. But for some reason no common news sources or websites have mentioned it. That type of stuff breeds "conspiracy theories'" I'd think it would be seen as a miracle everyone collectively wants cheer for and to begin implementing.
But like you said, we choose the stories we want to affirm our intrenched opinion.

 

[HonestAbe]

The only other sources I've really seen linked here to refute my points have all been from explicitly biassed sources that post (in my opinion) wild conspiracy theories. If all the anti-vax people here think Sandy Hook was a false flag and that passenger jets are spraying the world with mind control chemicals in their vapor trails, then I can't really have a very productive back and forth with that.

 

[RileyS]

Thanks for the thorough reply, I won't be able to really dive into it until I get home after work, but to the last question about the 99% it's from the Associated Press's analysis of the CDC's data. I trust the AP because the whole point of their serivce, and how they make their money, is to be about the facts of what happened and when. They're not shoveling opinions on top of the facts. You can read any newspaper, or go to any major news network (right and left) and you will find they use the AP and other similar services.

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[sidesh0wb0b]

The only other sources I've really seen linked here to refute my points have all been from explicitly biassed sources that post (in my opinion) wild conspiracy theories. If all the anti-vax people here think Sandy Hook was a false flag and that passenger jets are spraying the world with mind control chemicals in their vapor trails, then I can't really have a very productive back and forth with that.

just as you see all links posted here as "biased" sources because of your own biased opinions, the people you dub anti-vax or sandy hook false flaggers see your links as "biased" sources and do not agree with you that the AP and Reuters are unbiased honest and trustworthy.

 

[RileyS]

The only other sources I've really seen linked here to refute my points have all been from explicitly biassed sources that post (in my opinion) wild conspiracy theories. If all the anti-vax people here think Sandy Hook was a false flag and that passenger jets are spraying the world with mind control chemicals in their vapor trails, then I can't really have a very productive back and forth with that.

Pleae don't include me in those two, or probably any of the conspiracy theories you're reading.
My go to sources to cut out the middle man:
CDC
WHO
John Hopkins University
Mayo Clinic
Harvard
Stanford
Quite a few other universities (keep in mind they love to send out loads of contradictory information to their less viewed information. I have noooo idea why)
The AP is not allowed. some obvious bias with those guys.
But I getit . My wife will tell me of infuriating things from time to time regarding covid stuff. She hates it cause I don't believe it till I research it for myself. I'd say 70% of the time she's right but the other it's some truth wrapped in lies...from BOTH sides. sadly 70% of the information that she's right is concidered conspiracy.

 

[HonestAbe]

just as you see all links posted here as "biased" sources because of your own biased opinions, the people you dub anti-vax or sandy hook false flaggers see your links as "biased" sources and do not agree with you that the AP and Reuters are unbiased honest and trustworthy.

I have a question for you. Do you think all those different news companies that buy articles from newswire services think they're biased or potentially wrong a lot? Like if Fox News buys an article from the AP do you think they're worried in the slightest that the content of that reporting isn't properly done?

 

[HonestAbe]

Pleae don't include me in those two, or probably any of the conspiracy theories you're reading.
My go to sources to cut out the middle man:
CDC
WHO
John Hopkins University
Mayo Clinic
Harvard
Stanford
Quite a few other universities (keep in mind they love to send out loads of contradictory information to their less viewed information. I have noooo idea why)
The AP is not allowed. some obvious bias with those guys.

Well at least we agree on a lot of stuff there, and I suspect a lot of other stuff. Many of those groups have done themselves no favors by the way they present information, and like you said, sometimes with contradictions. Where do you get your US and World News? If you think the AP is biased, where does one go?

 

[sidesh0wb0b]

I have a question for you. Do you think all those different news companies that buy articles from newswire services think they're biased or potentially wrong a lot? Like if Fox News buys an article from the AP do you think they're worried in the slightest that the content of that reporting isn't properly done?

what my feelings are regarding those questions does not matter.
what does matter is the statement i made above that you glossed right over. everyone is so worried about being right that they cant come together on the basics of....you know.....giving up our rights. if we cant agree on the basics of our rights (which do not include security from illnesses) none of the rest matters.

 

[HonestAbe]

what my feelings are regarding those questions does not matter.
what does matter is the statement i made above that you glossed right over. everyone is so worried about being right that they cant come together on the basics of....you know.....giving up our rights. if we cant agree on the basics of our rights (which do not include security from illnesses) none of the rest matters.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to ignore the point you made. I'm multi-tasking while I wait for the computer. I believe people should be able to do whatever they want if it's not harming other people. I think mandates are not ideal, but we're in a situation where they are the right thing to do to minimize the amount of people that get sick and die needlessly.

g's a good example. If you wanna smoke, fine, but if you're making wait staff in the restaurants get cancer even when they're non-smokers, then yeah you should lose the freedom to smoke inside.