rkm rdt
Well-Known Member
Full Member
- Messages
- 21,457
- Reaction score
- 3,288
I sure hope President Harris doesn't make you convert it too electric.
I’ll go ahead share my fears about your military point.. I'm going to keep circling back to this point of the US Military requiring everyone be vaccinated because I'm haven't heard a plausible reason why they'd do it if they didn't think it was helping. They assessed the science and risk associated, and concluded that making sure everyone was vaccinated was the best thing to do to be prepared and prevent soldiers from getting sick.
Please name these 'people' you are referring to. Who has helped you through covid?You have people devoting their lives to helping progress and help humanity demeaned to government puppets because its some big conspiracy of control.
The countless numbers of scientist that have spent countless hours working around the clock to work on a vaccine for a global pandemic that came out of nowhere. These people helped us regain a semblance of normalcy, and anti maskers, anti vaxxers and those that spread false information from irreputable sources do nothing but hold everything back.Please name these 'people' you are referring to. Who has helped you through covid?
Thanks for the thorough reply, I won't be able to really dive into it until I get home after work, but to the last question about the 99% it's from the Associated Press's analysis of the CDC's data. I trust the AP because the whole point of their serivce, and how they make their money, is to be about the facts of what happened and when. They're not shoveling opinions on top of the facts. You can read any newspaper, or go to any major news network (right and left) and you will find they use the AP and other similar services.I’ll go ahead share my fears about your military point.
if you never heard about the list of the types of citizens that would be found on the governments domestic terrorist list you can go read what they have written up on the government web site. Many items are regarding people that want limited government, fear of a growing government overreach, racist groups-specifically white supremacists, violent environmentalists and so on. Consider the fact that school teachers, university professors, celebrities, BLM, MSM, politicians, pro athletes, “influencers,” major businesses, pro sports leagues, and on and on call all white people naturally born racists and that they demand socialist/marxist principals be implemented by businesses and government and education. Add to that, the sheer hatred and open violent remarks and “entertainment” style acts of murder towards trump, who is a white supremacist as are anyone who supports him, by celebrities, politicians, news anchors and on and on. The people being forced out of the military are the people who most likely strongly believe in the freedoms of this country. Thus, leaving a more socialist/marxist accepting military.
so combine that remaining military with the government terrorist watch list, an overwhelming majority of what you see on tv and social media, a president singling out one specific group of Americans and sharing that the other group of Americans and he have little patience left for them, and sprinkle in a bit of world history and that’s how you get me, someone who’s been told he was born a natural racist and who believes in a limited government and the constitution and bill of rights and Declaration of Independence as articles that acknowledge freedom for all men equally. I’m actually a good fit for a domestic terrorist apparently. I hope that the threats of being treated like a, well a 1930’s German Jew, with travel restricted and where I can work restricted and where and when I can shop…I hope that’s just a few rogue big people with loud voices saying that crap and not a majority of Americans.
you say you have to remove the middle man of where you get your information. I have to ask, where do you hear that 99% of all hospitalizations are the non vaccinated? I try to do the same as you and our numbers are vastly different.
ooooooo i know i know! its the honest and amazing and impeccable true journalists at the AP and Reuters!! those are the people helping progress and help humanity.Please name these 'people' you are referring to. Who has helped you through covid?
I agree with everything you said but this. An individual store can decline your business and I'm fine with that, unless it's a cake for a LGBTQr couple. The government should absolutely not tell a business owner who they can serve. I'll clarify, the United States of America government should not. Maybe your from canada or elsewhereIts circular because one camp will not bend to the other its the same, it goes round and round both sides baffled at how someone could have the stance they do. You don't have to get the vaccine, but if you want to do certain things you cant unless your vaccinated. You do not have a right to go into every store you want, you are allowed because they allow you. There are the stories of people getting covid who were anti vax saying how they wished they had the vaccine because the symptoms were terrible, there are stories of people getting complications after getting the vaccine, its all anecdotal and used to affirm everyone's intrenched opinion.
There is risk in progression and things thought to be good can turn out to be bad, doesn't mean the process is invalid. Ignoring facts or nitpicking certain points to solidify a specific opinion just creates layers of false information and distrust in everything.
You have people devoting their lives to helping progress and help humanity demeaned to government puppets because its some big conspiracy of control.
<iframe src="https://giphy.com/embed/l1J9GOHzv61L2UyYM" width="480" height="372" frameBorder="0" class="giphy-embed" allowFullScreen></iframe><p><a href="">via GIPHY</a></p>Thanks for the thorough reply, I won't be able to really dive into it until I get home after work, but to the last question about the 99% it's from the Associated Press's analysis of the CDC's data. I trust the AP because the whole point of their serivce, and how they make their money, is to be about the facts of what happened and when. They're not shoveling opinions on top of the facts. You can read any newspaper, or go to any major news network (right and left) and you will find they use the AP and other similar services.
just as you see all links posted here as "biased" sources because of your own biased opinions, the people you dub anti-vax or sandy hook false flaggers see your links as "biased" sources and do not agree with you that the AP and Reuters are unbiased honest and trustworthy.The only other sources I've really seen linked here to refute my points have all been from explicitly biassed sources that post (in my opinion) wild conspiracy theories. If all the anti-vax people here think Sandy Hook was a false flag and that passenger jets are spraying the world with mind control chemicals in their vapor trails, then I can't really have a very productive back and forth with that.
Pleae don't include me in those two, or probably any of the conspiracy theories you're reading.The only other sources I've really seen linked here to refute my points have all been from explicitly biassed sources that post (in my opinion) wild conspiracy theories. If all the anti-vax people here think Sandy Hook was a false flag and that passenger jets are spraying the world with mind control chemicals in their vapor trails, then I can't really have a very productive back and forth with that.
I have a question for you. Do you think all those different news companies that buy articles from newswire services think they're biased or potentially wrong a lot? Like if Fox News buys an article from the AP do you think they're worried in the slightest that the content of that reporting isn't properly done?just as you see all links posted here as "biased" sources because of your own biased opinions, the people you dub anti-vax or sandy hook false flaggers see your links as "biased" sources and do not agree with you that the AP and Reuters are unbiased honest and trustworthy.
Pleae don't include me in those two, or probably any of the conspiracy theories you're reading.
My go to sources to cut out the middle man:
CDC
WHO
John Hopkins University
Mayo Clinic
Harvard
Stanford
Quite a few other universities (keep in mind they love to send out loads of contradictory information to their less viewed information. I have noooo idea why)
The AP is not allowed. some obvious bias with those guys.
what my feelings are regarding those questions does not matter.I have a question for you. Do you think all those different news companies that buy articles from newswire services think they're biased or potentially wrong a lot? Like if Fox News buys an article from the AP do you think they're worried in the slightest that the content of that reporting isn't properly done?
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to ignore the point you made. I'm multi-tasking while I wait for the computer. I believe people should be able to do whatever they want if it's not harming other people. I think mandates are not ideal, but we're in a situation where they are the right thing to do to minimize the amount of people that get sick and die needlessly.what my feelings are regarding those questions does not matter.
what does matter is the statement i made above that you glossed right over. everyone is so worried about being right that they cant come together on the basics of....you know.....giving up our rights. if we cant agree on the basics of our rights (which do not include security from illnesses) none of the rest matters.