#trickybar #wtfbar

[JohnWilson]

Fantastic work. You are the bar master.

Just too expensive, so people end up using me often.
Also, we gladly accept others CAD designs. ??

Thanks.

You get what you pay for, I have to say Bernard's bars are in a league all their own.

 

[Tom Moore]

***....sorry.....again your work is beautiful and you are a great and fine, easy going fellow. Did I say your work was beautiful? It is...it really is.

 

[Tom Moore]

I try to stay out of bars but Bernard's are sure ones I would go to. They are more beautiful than....no I can't say that.

 

[patmo141]

On a side note, I have a question for y'all lab folks making these things. In your opinion, how much of these crazy angulations and #wtfbars are poor planning/execution vs just the best that can be done given the anatomical situations?

 

[2thm8kr]

["patmo141, post: 144674, member: 2560"]On a side note, I have a question for y'all lab folks making these things. In your opinion, how much of these crazy angulations and #wtfbars are poor planning/execution vs just the best that can be done given the anatomical situations?[/QUOTE]
Feoends

Depends on the team you are working with.

 

[Tom Moore]

I see bars with implant angles outside the manufactures occlusion loads often. We note they are outside our GMP's inform the dentist and with his verifiable decision to proceed make the case.

That's why we like to send our mobile cone beam ct scanner when possible or used the dentists scan for placement stents and design the bar and prosthetic device for one inclusive price.

 

[KTR]

Scott, nice bar. We have had many bars milled for use over the last 2 years and I must say (on almost all) the passive fit of the bar and the design to keep the bar under the acrylic and supporting the teeth was our goal. Your bar does that at a great price and I hope we get another bar case soon so we can offer a great deal to our doctor and still make a good profit.

Kirk

 

[DMC]

I feel I can do any design Bernard can do. ?

John, tell you hero to become a paying vendor why don't cha? (After giving him a B.J. first of course!)

He contributes ZERO to this forum except for trying to get work.

I consider that being an a55wipe in my book.


Milled last night....

 

[DMC]

You get what you pay for, I have to say Bernard's bars are in a league all their own.

HA, Look who's talking! YOU go buy some decent equipment if you want to do implants.

Not used crappy equipment, not little table-top mills.

I have premium equipment. All new.

HAAS, Steinbichler, Renishaw measuring (CMM Probe and tool sensor),SUM3d premium CAM, etc...

This is what the Pros use John.

 

[KentPWalton]

How long did it take to mill this one out Scott?

What size is your roughing tool? 3mm?

How long does SUM3D take to calculate that job?

 

[DMC]

ah, 11?

no, wait....7

 

[JohnWilson]

HA, Look who's talking! YOU go buy some decent equipment if you want to do implants.

Not used crappy equipment, not little table-top mills.

I have premium equipment. All new.

HAAS, Steinbichler, Renishaw measuring (CMM Probe and tool sensor),SUM3d premium CAM, etc...

This is what the Pros use John.

Your right, and if I spent all the money you have on your equipment and only were able to get the results you have posted I would be furious.

OH yeah that abutment I posted FOR FUN is no indication that I plan on doing this, it was just to show that even on a table-top version I can produce things of quality

BTW I thought I saw an EBAY add of you selling the Steinbitchler????

BTW hows your table top mill you were claiming to be coming that was going to revolutionize the industry?

 

[DMC]

I have Four Steinbichlers and always buying more. Just got in One last week.

I add exocad and then sell them.

I always will do stuff like this.

I am not selling my new One I bought. We use them daily.

My table-top mill is still being developed and will be released.

I sell tons of stuff on ebay. Why not? You have an issue with this for some reason?

Very happy to see you milling interfaces. Looks great. Good for you.

 

[KentPWalton]

ah, 11?

no, wait....7

That's the answer I get? Thanks Scott.

 

[DMC]

LOL

Sometimes we use 4mm to Rough.
Depends on what we have laying around.
Sometimes 2-flute, and sometimes 4-flute in either 3 or 4mm diameter.

We may start roughing with a 6mm, the more roughing with 3 or 4mm, while offset is 4.2mm or less...so 6mm does not completly open up the offset, ya know?

Dunno about calc times. We always have multiple projects calculating while the mills are busy.
So it doesn't really matter to me and I never time that.

Most bars are under 4hrs to mill.

 

[KentPWalton]

Was the one above done on the HAAS? I'm assuming it is since I see what the

fixture is. I believe that's your design of the fixture for the HAAS.

Thought about getting a spindle speeder for it so you can zip the smaller tools up some more?


The bar above has a really nice finish.

 

[KentPWalton]

30K on the OM-2 spindle right?

 

[DMC]

For roughing with a 3mm we are between 8-9K RPMs.

30K is all I have needed so far with smaller tools.

Yes, you can order an OM-2a with a 40k option. Just a change of belt pulleys.

 

[primus]

On a side note, I have a question for y'all lab folks making these things. In your opinion, how much of these crazy angulations and #wtfbars are poor planning/execution vs just the best that can be done given the anatomical situations?

About this much Patrick. (Holding hands apart about shoulder width)

 

[DMC]