Is there a milling center that doesn't suck?

[Marcusthegladiator CDT]

So when I was in L.A. I was solely running a milling center. Just me, 3shape, Sum3D, and my ImesIcore 340i.
I never would have let things go out the door looking the way I receive them.

We don't mill our large cases on our MCXL, that would be stupid. Or would it? Cause were shopping around and I just got back this 6 unit 1 pontic anterior bridge from a milling center upstate I was referred to.

Upon first glace I can see rough chippy margins on my 5 abutments. ug
I look at the model and its still got pink marker spray on it and a die is broke and glued back together.
And the framework is high in occlusion.
It also rocks. and is full of sharps.
So what did we pay $70 a ZIRC unit for?

In L.A. we were charging $35 a unit and compared to what I've seen from other labs, we should have charged $100.00

Also at $70 a unit, I would expect the framework to be cleaned up and pristine. Not full of bur marks and GOUGES. Just a light surfacing, is that too much to ask for? A framework with proper margins that aren't flaky, rough, chipped, and over extended? A clean model in return...

Oh and I provided them with a SWEET solid model with pink tissue and they didn't bother seating it. Cause if they did they would see some crappier margins than were on the working model.

So do I sound like a nagging dental tech? Trust me, if you paid $70 a unit for this Zirc framework that is in my hand, you too would say, WTF?

Anyway...

FANCY PANTS NYC LAB SEEKS NEIGHBORING MILLING CENTER WITH CARISMA...

Anyone in the NYC area or outlying states want to give it a try? I know its possible, I've produced some mighty fine and pristine framework in my time.

I am not hard to please I swear, I just like honest work.

And when I send you a case, more often than not, I tell you, "Please take all the time you need to build very nice framework, no rush at all."

NO DUE DATE!

Just in case I get 10 replies, know I wont send you but a single case if you cant build sweet framework. And if you claim and don't deliver, I look stupid, so spare me.

 

[PCDL]

Im not a milling center, but I'd be willing to give it a shot for you. Milling on a CNC500 unit using 3m/Jensen products, located in RI. First case on me for evaluation.
Ryan

 

[ParkwayDental]

How about giving us a try Marcus? I charge $45 a unit for a framework from a model. We design all of our frameworks on 3Shape and use the anatomical library so you have nice anatomical support everywhere needed.

Here is a framework I just took a quick pic of with my phone.

 

[actittle]

I have had several LAVA frameworks milled by ***, they were great!

 

[Marcusthegladiator CDT]

How about giving us a try Marcus? I charge $45 a unit for a framework from a model. We design all of our frameworks on 3Shape and use the anatomical library so you have nice anatomical support everywhere needed.

Here is a framework I just took a quick pic of with my phone.

Lol, I always build things anatomical and my ceramist hates it. She wants to build on the most basic framework.

 

[user name]

*** did some nice LAVA for me; Compartis is doing lots of nice mills for me too.

 

[shane williams]

Marcus, you design and scan with inLab right? Why not scan, design and send off the file(in stl format) to a milling center. This would cut down on improper margin selection, and design. The only thing the milling center needs to make sure on their end is chipped margins.

 

[eyeloveteeth]

Send to CAP!

 

[desertfox384]

I've sent work to Lab Solutions, CMC, Diadem, and Colonial Dental. Parkway blows them all away in every aspect.

 

[corona]

connector sizes look a little thin ? whats the minimal size you make them parkway? nice framework support design. corona

 

[Tayebdental]

connector sizes look a little thin ? whats the minimal size you make them parkway? nice framework support design. corona

Exactly what I was thinking, somehow thin connections, but good anatomical support,

 

[DMC]

- We accept Sirona files to mill.
- We work until 9:00PM if necessary to get everything out the door on time.
- Files sent before 10:00am would go out same day.
- 5:30 am, and I am at work already. We bust it out like no other.

$29/unit for FCZ.
$2.95/unit for 3d printing.
$49 Titanium abutment
$399 for Ti bar

I would ask you to pick One model to have us work on. Not Two or Three.
I think most milling centers would agree with this for many reasons.

Everyone in my city uses us, including all Sirona owners. LOL

 

[DMC]

note: We are human, and make mistakes! You are welcome to post everything we do on this site. It is only fair.

 

[Marcusthegladiator CDT]

- We accept Sirona files to mill.
- We work until 9:00PM if necessary to get everything out the door on time.
- Files sent before 10:00am would go out same day.
- 5:30 am, and I am at work already. We bust it out like no other.

$29/unit for FCZ.
$2.95/unit for 3d printing.
$49 Titanium abutment
$399 for Ti bar

I would ask you to pick One model to have us work on. Not Two or Three.
I think most milling centers would agree with this for many reasons.

Everyone in my city uses us, including all Sirona owners. LOL

Im not sure if the exported wire mesh model is as detailed as much as other designers when using inlab. I forget the proper term for the points that make up the wire mesh of a CAM but I'll call em pixels and am thinking by the looks of things, inlab exports low resolution files... I would only be outsourcing large bridges and think excluding sirona from the picture would be a premium option.

Well see what the boss wants to do with his next large zirconia framework and I'll keep you guys in mind.

 

[ParkwayDental]

connector sizes look a little thin ? whats the minimal size you make them parkway? nice framework support design. corona

We design them with 9mm squared on anteriors and 12mm squared for posteriors. The pic above is off a sample model we made so everything is nice and petite looking.

 

[Marcusthegladiator CDT]

Im sending this one case Im complaining about back, and the guy was nice and says he'll se what he can do...

The problem is, he was a referral from another tech. So he made this tech look dumb.

 

[DMC]

Im not sure if the exported wire mesh model is as detailed as much as other designers when using inlab. I forget the proper term for the points that make up the wire mesh of a CAM but I'll call em pixels and am thinking by the looks of things, inlab exports low resolution files... I would only be outsourcing large bridges and think excluding sirona from the picture would be a premium option.

Well see what the boss wants to do with his next large zirconia framework and I'll keep you guys in mind.

- Sirona Blue Cam is actually pretty decent scan data.

- All of your files are stl. (Triangulated from a Point cloud of scan data)
Wire frame is an option for rendering (viewing) almost any 3d file. Other options are Solid surface, only the Points, Triangles, etc...the file is still the same data, but only the rendering has changed. Does this make any sense? I am not too sure what you were trying to say in the above.

Scott

 

[Marcusthegladiator CDT]

- Sirona Blue Cam is actually pretty decent scan data.

- All of your files are stl. (Triangulated from a Point cloud of scan data)
Wire frame is an option for rendering (viewing) almost any 3d file. Other options are Solid surface, only the Points, Triangles, etc...the file is still the same data, but only the rendering has changed. Does this make any sense? I am not too sure what you were trying to say in the above.

Scott

I remember adjusting .stl's from binary to acii or something and they would become suqared and sharp after losing a lot of info.
And the renders in 3 shape always looked smoother than inlab. Im sure a lot has to do with the capabilities of the milling unit and strategies involved.

 

[DMC]

hmmmmm.....???

I doubt the strategies have anything to do with rendering.

Not too sure what you are saying still, sorry.

 

[Marcusthegladiator CDT]

Well imagine a CAM rendered into a wire mesh. Visualize one wire mesh coping made of 50 horizontal and 50 vertical lines. And another with twice as many horizontal and vertical lines. One would end up milling with smooth contours on the 340i and the other converted to a smaller file size which showed less wire mesh, would mill with a much rougher surface as if someone decreased the step. But not to mill what looks like a topography map but both horizontal and vertical topography... in other words the surface of the coping looked like the surface of a golf ball.

So considering sirona and inlabs lower par, I would imagine sending out a model instead of emailing stl's exported from inlab, would be a better option.