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quit talking and start chalking!
quit talking and start chalking!
do yourself a favor, write a business plan. do things the right way from the start.
5 dollar minimum per unit? 5 minutes for each design? I thought the going minimum was $29.00.ID LOVE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THIS TOPIC. BUMP...
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Answer This... What are your thoughts on a website that you could go sign up for and it was similar to facebook, or upwork or fiver ect. You can load some examples of your work and make an about me page and sell yourself to labs and doctors and doctors could go here and find technicians who are willing to design and possibly nest as well. Then send the file back and the website would have a sever built in that is hippa compliant and the doctor simply would load a scan into your que. You grab the intraoral scan or desktop scan design it, throw it back into the server and the client is automatically billed by the website and you get the money placed in your account at the end of every week.... The rules are simple, there is a minimum charge of 5$ per unit and you must use our file exchange server/system and billing software ect. You can advertise or promote a basic design a premium design and then also have different prices for different turn around times, example a 30 min, a 4 hour, an 8 hour, ect. You can offer add on services like one free change per design at the request of the client or for a fee you can allow the doctor and if needed or wanted the patient screensharing while you design thier smile/crown. You would be free to go out and market to dentists, however you must run it all through the website, which has advantages for all involved in my mind, First the dentist must have a valid Credit Card on file to submit a scan or the case will not be sent. Also the website will keep track of all your finances and case records as well. The website would also offer the software to buy or to rent and you can pick whatever ones you would like. This could be something you simply do 1 or two times per week or you could do it for a part-time or a full time job. The other benefit of using this site would be the marketing and traffic driven to the website, you get your services out infront of doctors who just bought an intraoral and not sure what to do next and like i said before, they have to pay the same second they send the file if not they dont get the design. There would also be prefered milling centers or labs that you could send the finished file to for milling and finishing ect. The possibilities are endless. But ultimately the doctors are starting to look at buying small mills when they buy an IO scanner .....think dwx 50 and such and they dont have time to mess with it at all. Just have the assistant order some discs and send you the serial codes on them, they will go into the software / website and you just get off work go grab your scans, design, look at the doctors stock of discs/ consumables, nest the units, send them back and the dental assistant or offfice girl goes and grabs the right number disc or block and throws it in the mill wam bam, the doctor either has the assistant spray glaze all the posteriors or he goes in for an hour on the weekend and does some staining and glazing. Obviously this could be done at so many levels but the rules would be simple, dont send files without going through the server, and you cant go less than 5$ a unit. I mean you could do a live design and charge the doc 50$ for the unit and be done in 10 mins and his life is basically a little bit of staining and glazing, and as long as you help him get his mill calibrated to your design settings and get the contacts and occlusion close he has no model to deal with and if he wants one it gets sent out for printing.
SO BEFORE YOUR REPLY THAT THIS IS ALREADY OUT THERE, AND SAY CROWN BOX ALREADY DOES THIS AND THAT THERE IS NO POINT TO IT, I WANT TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THIS WHOLE SITUATION BECAUSE YES I KNOW THERE IS FULL CONTOUR OUT THERE AKA DROPDENTAL.COM AND FULLCONTOURDENTAL.COM BUT THEY DONT SERVICE DOCTORS AND THEY DONT ALLOW THE CLIENT TO TALK TO THE DESIGNER!!!!! THIS IS A WAY TO GIVE DOCTORS A TAYLOR MADE SERVICE AND ULTIMATELY THE PATIENT A BETTER PRODUCT. IT WOULD BE FREE TO SIGN UP AND LITERALLY WOULD BE ALMOST IDENTICAL TO FACEBOOK MIXED WITH A LITTLE DROP DENTAL AND AMAZON AND EBAY.... DOCTORS COULD POST CASES FOR PEOPLE TO BID ON OR EVEN SUBMIT THE DESIGN AND HE GETS TO PICK THE BEST DESIGN ECT... (AGAIN DONT FREAK OUT THESE ARE ALL JUST THOUGHTS AND BRAINSTORMING) BUT I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT A PATIENT AND DOC WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS SITUATION BELOW POSSIBLE....
SO THE DOCTOR HAS A PATIENT THAT IS HAVING A FULL MOUTH OR AT MINIMUM 4-8 ANTERIORS DONE FOR COSMETIC REASONS. SO THE DOCTOR HAS THE PATIENT COME IN AND ALL THEY DO IS A 5 MINUTE SCAN OF THE PATIENTS MOUTH, NO SHOTS NO PREPING NO NOTHING, JUST A SCAN, HE SENDS IT TO HIS FAVORITE CONTRACT PROCESSOR AND THEN YOU GRAB THE SCAN DESIGN THE PROVISIONALS WITH THE MARGINS JUST BARELY SUB G OR RIGHT AT THE GING. CREST THEN JUST LET THE DESIGN SIT UNTILL THE PATIENT IS RESCHEDULED FOR PREPPING. SO THE PATIENT COMES BACK IN AND YOU COULD EVEN HAVE THE DOC MILL OUT A COUPLE OF DIAGNOSTIC MODELS TO SELL THE PATIENT ON ACCEPTING THE TREATMENT PLAN. JUST LIKE A BEFORE AND AFTER DIAGNOSTIC THAT WE WAX OR USED TO WAX AND MAKE A TEMP STINT WITH. THEN THE DOCTOR STARTS TO PREP, AND REMEMBER YOU HAVE ALREADY DESIGNED THE WHOLE CASE AND EVERY UNIT ALREADY SO WHEN HES DONE PREPING ALL YOU DO IS GO IN TO THE SCAN MARK THE FRESHLY CUT MARGINS AND THEN PULL YOUR DESIGN THAT YOU ALREADY DID WITH THE PREOP SCAN IN AND MESH IT TO THE NEW MARGINS. DO SOME MINOR TWEAKS, SEND THE NESTED FILE TO THE DOC AND HE CAN GRAB A MULTILAYERED/MULTISHADED pmma DISK PUT IT IN THE MACHINE AND PUSH START. THE TEMPS TAKE ABOUT 15 TO 20 MINS EACH TO MILL OUT. THE PATIENT STAYS IN THE CHAIR WATCHES A MOVIE AND THEN .................
BAM!!!!!!!!!! THE DOC CAN CUT OUT THE UNITS, POLISH THEM, MAYBE LIGHTCURE GLAZE THEM TO ADD SOME CHARACTER ECT. AND THE PATIENT HAS GORGEOUS, STRONG, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY INDIVIDUAL TEMPS, SO THAT THE PERIODONTAL LIGAMANTS ARE FREE TO MOVE AROUND WHILE THE PATIENT IS CHEWING ECT.....THE PATIENT WEARS THEM FOR A WEEK OR SO DEPENDING ON IF THERE IS ANY CROWN LENGTHENING OR ANY NEED TO OPEN THE BITE UP AND GIVE THE PATIENT TIME TO LET THIER BODY AND MOUTH ADJUST TO THE NEW OCCLUSION. THEN THEY COME BACK IN AND GIVE THE DOCTOR FEEDBACK ON WHAT THEY LIKE AND DONT LIKE, (OR JUST CALL) THEN YOU MAKE SOME MINOR CHANGES IF THE PATIENT OR DOCTOR WANTS AND YOU CAN HAVE THE CROWNS DONE AS SOON AS LATER THAT DAY OR THE NEXT. ECT.
SOOOO here is the big thing that sucks about getting any cosmetic work done as a patient. First its usually painfull (at least for me because i burn off anasesia like its gas on a fire, also having 6 or 8 units made into temps by the doctor injecting lightcure or dualcure temp material into a siltec matrix or temp stint made with lab putty IS THE WORST FEELING EVER!!! imagine not having your teeth able to move freely while you chew and your pario ligaments are all splinted togeather....(it sucks and people usually break temps cause of this reason exactly.
Also the PMMA is so good now that you can polish it in one minute and it looks just as good as a monolithic lisi pressed crown. and the patient gets awesome temps that are perfectly sealed at the margin and can be worn long term, they look great and they most importantly feel amazing.
THIS IS JUST ONE SCENERIO THAT YOU COULD CHARGE A PREMIUM FOR AND PATIENTS WOULD PAY IT AND SO WOULD DOCS.
THIS IS WHERE WE ARE HEADING AND A WEBSITE AND SERVICE LIKE THIS COULD BE SUCH A GREAT THING FOR ALL OF US. DESIGN AS MUCH OR AS LITTLE AS YOU WANT AND CHARGE WHAT YOU WANT AND NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT GETTTING PAID OR CALLING A CLIENT ASKING TO PAY THIER BILL......
SO RIP IT TO SHREDS OR LET ME KNOW ANYTHING, BECAUSE I ALREADY HAVE IT BUILT, I HAVE THE COMPANY SET UP AND I WANT TO SEE THE RESPONSE...WOULD YOU SIGN UP? WOULD YOU MAKE ALL YOUR DESIGNERS IN YOUR LAB SIGN UP AND DO THE WORK WHILE THEY ARE CLOCKED IN AT YOUR LAB AND ALLOW THEM TO DO IT ON THE SIDE AS WELL..??????
IM SO CLOSE TO LAUNCHING THIS BUT I JUST WANT TO FEEL OUT THE MARKET TO SEE WHO WOULD DO WHAT AND HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD SIGN UP AND HOW OFTEN THEY WOULD GO TO DOCS OFFICES AND TRY TO GET NEW WORK. THINK ABOUT THIS PART TOO. YOU CAN RENT THE SOFTWARE FROM THE COMPANY/WEBSITE IF YOU DONT WANT TO BUY IT, ALSO YOU CAN OFFER A PERSONALIZED SERVICE THAT IS UNIQE TO WHAT YOU THINK DOCS NEED.
IM SURE LAB OWNERS WILL LASH OUT ON THIS BUT YOU CAN USE AND BENEFIT FROM IT TOO. SERIOUSLY THE RISE OF THE MACHINES HAS BEEN GREAT BUT MOST DENTISTS WILL AGREE THAT THEY HAVE SEEN A MAJOR SHIFT IN CONSISTANTCY IN THE WORK THEY GET BACK BECAUSE ALL DESIGNERS ARE DIFFERENT AND ALL LABS USE DIFFERENT LIBRARIES, AS WELL AS TECHS AND DESIGNERS WITHIN THE LAB ITSELF.
ANOTHER BENEFIT, STORAGE AND FILE LOADING SPEED. THIS IS ALL CLOUD BASED SO ALL YOUR WORK AND DESIGNS AND SCANS AND ACCOUNTING IS SAFE IN THE CLOUD. IM JUST THINKING HOW EASY DOING YOUR TAXES WOULD BE AT THE END OF THE YEAR WITH HAVING ALL THE FINACIALS RIGHT THERE AND ALL YOUR COSTS ECT.
IM EVEN LOOKING FOR PARTNERS ON THIS AND WOULD LOVE TO TALK ON THE PHONE OR IN PERSON ANYTIME BUT COMMENT AWAY!
im not doing a damn thing for $5.5 dollar minimum per unit? 5 minutes for each design? I thought to going minimum was $29.00.
Who is using or hiring techs to design remotely and how are you finding them?
Do you have to buy them a computer and a dongle.?
I know of full contour. Does anyone have a recommendation for who i could talk to about how to go about finding good deaigners for overflow....I have seen some bad designs from other companies so I don't want to have to redo the designs they send me back.
This may be in the wrong section..if so I'm sorry. Maybe it's more of a business idea than a help wanted.
But I guess I do need help.
I usually Try to take 10 min per unit and yes I do pretty well with 8 per unit and I am also turning work away because I don't want to rush any designs. 3shape tells the designers to just crowd the units together to make the bridge. How ridiculous, also with an outsider there is no unemployment ins or workmans comp ins. I have 37 years experience as a ceramist. How is your new hires doing for you??realistically youd never want to do that.
5 mins per unit is no guarantee of quality. anyone worthy of 96 units of work per day wouldn't do 96 units a day no matter how much you paid them. juggling the specific instructions for every case, like ensuring specific manufacturing instructions - metal lingual band, metal island, denture rests, attachment planning, veneers need to communicate photos, etc etc, is nice to say you can do it but in reality it will take 12 hours to do 12 units sometimes, due to improper scanning, failed unit manufacturing, or disagreements between designer and ceramist.
ceramists are a fickle bunch, and need to hold the hand of every designer until satisfactory production is acheived, and this can take months if the ceramist is wishywashy.
i can do a single in under 4 minutes if all the stars lign up, and theres a perfect margin, adequate clearance, no special instructions, and neighboring anatomy is easy to copy. otherwise 4 minutes is about how long it will take to decide which library will take the least modifications to get a result that would look natural, in accordance with the bite, the neighboring dentition, and the type of material being used.
8 dollars is what you pay if your lab is run by an accounting firm hoping to figure out how to make more profit by increasing volume. and theyd negotiate for 5 dollars instead, given the volume.
The problem with Upwork, Fiv.er, etc (from our point of view) is that it's full of "freelancers" from third world countries willing to do the work for bottom price; and that's OK for them since even this low prices surpass the minimum wages from their country.
If you say the lowest price will be $5 dollars per crown, then I would think you're setting the price for everyone. There's people willing to do the work for that or even less, whether they are good or bad designers. If you let people decide their prices, then the price will be even lower. Whether they are good or bad designers, I'm sure there's good designers/technicians from other countries willing to do the work for less.
There are horror stories from Upwork such as clients not paying, pulling out when they have part of the work, claiming they did not receive anything or saying the job was just not good. Upwork always sides with the customer (obviously) whether they are right or wrong (PayPal as another example). I've read of people having thousands of dollars on their account waiting to be transferred to them, then there's an error or a customer complains, and all the funds are frozen, account cancelled, and gone.
Maybe there's a way to do this right but I have my doubts following a model such as Upwork would be good for us.
Just my opinion.
Who is using or hiring techs to design remotely and how are you finding them?
Do you have to buy them a computer and a dongle.?
I know of full contour. Does anyone have a recommendation for who i could talk to about how to go about finding good deaigners for overflow....I have seen some bad designs from other companies so I don't want to have to redo the designs they send me back.
This may be in the wrong section..if so I'm sorry. Maybe it's more of a business idea than a help wanted.
But I guess I do need help.
That's for offshore dental inexperienced gamer's. Minimum should be at least double that for experienced tech designing.In my experience $5 per design (.stl file) is appropriate