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Hey guys, I've got a few dentists if I do partials. (I dont)
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Is there any online education that would teach how to create partials or flippers?

I'm from a rural town in mid Utah, so going to school for this type of thing is difficult...
Any ideas would be appreciated, thank you for any responses in advance.
 
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If you've no idea what you're doing then the dentists you've mentioned need a hard poke from the authorities. It's unprofessional and not an ethical way to practice - patient's protection is an important part of the whole process.
Knowledge and experience is very important and should be backed up with qualifications.
Best advice is to move to the city and get a job working alongside an experienced tech to learn on the job, and to arrange to go to college.
Or - join up with the forces and get high quality all-round training.
 
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- I live in WY, you are welcome to come visit me and get a little education. There are some good books out there but partials are a beast unto themselves. I suggest letting your doctor or frame lab design your chrome frames but if you can make a denture you can make a transitional partial.
 
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Are these Dentist going to send you fixed cases if you can offer removeables? If so you should talk to Candi about outsourcing your removeables, that way you don't need to invest in more equipment. She does nice work, and you would add to your fixed cases.

By the way CaptainInsano25 I don't think araucaria realizes that you went to a lab program that only covered crown and bridge.
 
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Hi Wyo, i'm not familiar with training in US for captaininsane (am aware of different aspect credentials for US though) but i would think that common-sense should rule his/her thinking before taking on accounts that could end up with law-suits. Proper training has got to be far better than tips from a forum - this isn't dentistry for dummies - it's the real world. Patient protection is becoming an increasingly important issue for regulatory bodies, and properly certified techs should be signing out work. There is a growing situation in europe where there's evidence of a shortage of prosthetic/removables techs and not enough work for the c&b army. Pros' techs have had a very hard time for many years, but the better techs that have persevered are beginning to reap rewards that are long overdue. Some c&b techs are looking into re-training for removable work.
There was a very interesting article written by a USA Doc-Damon Adams dds a few years back describing the shortage of techs and the desperate situation the industry is falling into. "Where Have All The Techniciians Gone?" was the title, I have a copy somewhere on my PC but cannot seem to find it at the moment. The guy has some very good ideas and is very 'pro' labs - I'd recommend finding out more about what he has to say - he's a very wise guy.
 
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While I agree that any guy off the street shouldn't try and blunder their way into making medical devices for people I do feel it is important that good techs are always looking to expand their knowledge. Captaininsano was asking if anyone knew of online training programs so he could learn how to make partials. There is a program through Welcome to ASMDT, the American Society of Master Dental Technologists which is through New York Universities school of Dentistry, and endorsed by the NBC. Captaininsano25 and I both attended Ameritech Colleges Dental Technician program. Ameritech is a PTC based program, and strictly crown and bridge. After school he worked in a lab before opening his own. Dental Lab programs are not everywhere. I think everyone would agree that nothing beats hands on training, but many of us cannot afford to relocate to update skills. Do you think that the New York University program would be a good investment? It is a correspondence course, not really an online course from what I can see. Has anyone tried this out?
 
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In the U.S. many programs cover all aspects of laboratory work, but some specialize. Most techs and labs specialize in C&B, removeables, or ortho after their training. I agree with you that the military trains great techs. How are things set-up in the UK? Our CDT designation allows a technician to achieve certification in one or more specialties. Technicians can open their own labs. I imagine that is the same in the UK. Are you guys regulated by the EU or do countries throughout Europe have different laws? I know this is wondering off the topic, but I am curious about how things work on your side of the pond.
 
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While I agree that any guy off the street shouldn't try and blunder their way into making medical devices for people I do feel it is important that good techs are always looking to expand their knowledge. Captaininsano was asking if anyone knew of online training programs so he could learn how to make partials.
I agree that good techs should be able to expand their knowledge and abilities. The main point is that this profession needs good mentoring to provide the required ability and know-how. It isn't just about reading info and distance-learning. Anybody who thinks they can walk into removable production to a level that'll satisfy the docs without getting thorough training/mentoring is underestimating the task before them. By all means practice as much as possible, but real learning beside an experienced tech is priceless. It's a long haul too. Even going off to be an observer in a reputable lab for one day every week will be a great help, or two days if poss and catch up at base over the weekend. captaininsano would appear to have a high level of desire to succeed so I'm sure that good progress will be made.

There is a program through Welcome to ASMDT, the American Society of Master Dental Technologists which is through New York Universities school of Dentistry, and endorsed by the NBC. Captaininsano25 and I both attended Ameritech Colleges Dental Technician program. Ameritech is a PTC based program, and strictly crown and bridge. After school he worked in a lab before opening his own. Dental Lab programs are not everywhere. I think everyone would agree that nothing beats hands on training, but many of us cannot afford to relocate to update skills. Do you think that the New York University program would be a good investment? It is a correspondence course, not really an online course from what I can see. Has anyone tried this out?
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In the U.S. many programs cover all aspects of laboratory work, but some specialize. Most techs and labs specialize in C&B, removeables, or ortho after their training. I agree with you that the military trains great techs. How are things set-up in the UK? Our CDT designation allows a technician to achieve certification in one or more specialties. Technicians can open their own labs. I imagine that is the same in the UK. Are you guys regulated by the EU or do countries throughout Europe have different laws? I know this is wondering off the topic, but I am curious about how things work on your side of the pond.

Things have changed here. When I started the best training was found at a few teaching hospitals and the armed forces. Now there are only a few teaching hospitals available and a shortage of applicants for the positions. Of those applicants there is often a lack of suitability for the courses, so it's sometimes a case of putting asses on seats just to keep the courses open and to maintain budgets for the departments. The quality of training is ok and thorough - covering all aspects of the profession. My main complaint is that there's not enough time spent hands-on to raise the skill levels and to acquire good experience, and not enough scope to do work on 'real' cases.
It would help our industry here if training could be specialised IMO, as it's not really practical to try and do everything - not an economic use of time.
The most common form of training here is to employ a trainee full time and send them to a provincial college one day a week for classes. This was usually for 3 or 4 years depending on the college and it's training plan. Many years ago it was a 5 year plan, then it became 4, now it's 3. Some colleges i believe can do a 2 year course for 3days each week and 2 days in the lab. Main problem is the quality of teaching in the workplace, many lab owners in the past have used trainees as cheap labour and just cherry-picked the best.
Drop-out rates at the colleges are very high, but it's easy to walk into a job in a call-centre and get more money than a tech'! Shame.
There are differences across europe but most do the same thing. I've met with techs from all across europe and have first hand experience of their knowlege and abilities. I would say from my own experience that the german system has in the past shown to be a very thorough and high quality training, and recent evidence shows that eastern europeans have good training. Teachers make the difference IMO.
In the UK it's neccessary to be a registered tech to open a lab, and all work must be signed out by a registered tech. The work also has to have evidence of country of origin, traceability of all processes and materials, and comply with european directives (we have a european parliament too) with regard to the manufacture and supply of medical devices. This last bit is what's coming your way I think, and quite soon.
 
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From the training end we suffer some of the same problems. Dental lab programs here have a hard time attracting students as well due to the starting wages. Certainly the military is a great option as you get paid to train, and several years of experience. I suppose it depends on the program. My program did not have us working on real cases, but they expected everyone to work in a lab after graduation and receive more knowledge. It was a foundation to build on, but there is nothing better than having other technicians help you solve real world issues with complicated cases. I would like to see some sort of registration process for labs here, although I am not sure that the CDT should be the requirement. I am an RG working towards my CDT, so I do see value in the certification. When I was doing hospital work in a previous career nurses were licensed through the state. It will be interesting to see what happens. Wyoming, where I live, has no CE requirements for Dentists beyond CPR. Hairdressers in Wyoming have more CE requirements.
 
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The school situation in the US is lacking and getting worse, the publications are scarce, & as pay compares with fast food and not the artist we are. We are in some challenging times. The publication LMT LMT Communications | Dental Laboratory Magazine and News has listings of classes given around the country. Various mfg have instructions on line, if cptinsano25 wishes to learn flippers, and has a base in C&B Flexite has some good instructions on their site Flexite Home Page TCS & Nobiliun will even send U DVD, these are nylon sites if U wish to learn PMMA flippers the designs are similar, but materials are quite different, & the equipment a little less expensive. I would really encourage going to a convention & taking some seminars. The Chicago show might get U into the right vein & is not overly expensive most of what U are interest in would be on Feb 25 & 26.
If that is to far maybe the Spring Tech in CO Mar 18&19 would get U on your way. Or Apr 29 in Nevada.
 

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