Got an email re: Asiga or nextdent.

Bryce Hiller

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I can't understand why ANYONE would choose a closed system, even for the price. We have an Asiga MAX and are printing 12+ resins from at 5 different manufacturers.
 
rkm rdt

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Businesses are free to make their own decisions. What are you ? some kind of commie socialist?
 
sidesh0wb0b

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I can't understand why ANYONE would choose a closed system, even for the price. We have an Asiga MAX and are printing 12+ resins from at 5 different manufacturers.
sometimes its more than just open vs closed. i mean ppl are still gobbling up 3shapes like crazy. docs still buying cerecs.
 
eddydy

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What is the final decision?
I received a PM asking me this same question, I'm going to copy and paste my answer here.

I've been known to take my sweet time deciding on anything in life. What helps me exercise this habit is the fact that I always keep myself busy. So, don't be surprise if I've told you that I haven't made a decision yet. However, truth of the matter is, my heart is with the Asiga printer. In Chicago, I've heard nothing but great feedback about it. Plus, I hear the Whipmix support is amazing. I also can't help but feel that Nexdent, being the new kid on the block, might look more shiny and appealing. However, from my understanding, once you buy everything you need for it, it ends up costing much more than the price of the Asiga printer. Keep in mind the biggest advantage Asiga has over Nexdent is the open system. Ultimately, I've listed all that I'm taking into consideration and will let you know my final decision soon. Thank you for your time.

Best,
Eddy
 
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I received a PM asking me this same question, I'm going to copy and paste my answer here.

I've been known to take my sweet time deciding on anything in life. What helps me exercise this habit is the fact that I always keep myself busy. So, don't be surprise if I've told you that I haven't made a decision yet. However, truth of the matter is, my heart is with the Asiga printer. In Chicago, I've heard nothing but great feedback about it. Plus, I hear the Whipmix support is amazing. I also can't help but feel that Nexdent, being the new kid on the block, might look more shiny and appealing. However, from my understanding, once you buy everything you need for it, it ends up costing much more than the price of the Asiga printer. Keep in mind the biggest advantage Asiga has over Nexdent is the open system. Ultimately, I've listed all that I'm taking into consideration and will let you know my final decision soon. Thank you for your time.

Best,
Eddy
what will be your main use for the printer? i apologize if its been asked already.
take your time. make the decision thats best for you!
 
Glenn Kennedy

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I received a PM asking me this same question, I'm going to copy and paste my answer here.

"I also can't help but feel that Nexdent, being the new kid on the block, might look more shiny and appealing. However, from my understanding, once you buy everything you need for it, it ends up costing much more than the price of the Asiga printer."

Best,
Eddy
Hi Eddy,
Just to clarify the Nextdent 5100 printer price is $10K, the light box is $1800 and the mixer is $325. Total cost is $12,125.
Any DLP printer will require a light box to cure the parts. The bottle mixer/roller is a convenient option that is used to completely mix the resin before printing.
Can you please share the price for the Asiga you were looking at, plus required light box and any other accessories?

Thank you

-Glenn
 
tehnik

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The main thing, that increases nextdent price is the resin tray, that costs 10x more than asiga tray. And you need more than one tray, alot more. No one will start to clean the trays after every use. So the total cost is at least 5000 usd more than the 12,125.- plus and the end of the day, it is still a closed system.
 
Glenn Kennedy

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Lets compare apples to apples:
The Asiga printer is $14,000, in the letter that started this thread the discounted price was $13000
The NextDent 5100 is $10,000

Both printers will use a light box for curing and both will likely use the bottle mixer.

An extra resin tray for the 5100 is $900. You can buy the 5100 plus 2 extra resin trays for less than the cost of the Asiga printer with no extra trays. The Nextdent resin tray will last about 900 prints so the cost per print job is $1. The Asiga tray costs less but it does not last as long and therefore increases the cost per part. Cheaper is not better.

The Nextdent system is designed to work specifically with Nextdent resins to provide a complete end to end workflow for dental labs that want bio compatible 3D printed parts in the widest range of resin and shade options. Scan, pour, print. No settings to adjust or material properties to figure out and "dial in".
 
k2 Ceramic Studio

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I know a few guys in the UK who have the Asiga and a friend in Greece who just got one, we don't do enough to justify it yet but the ones we do get are printed on the Asiga. Quality is incredible plus it's one of the only truly open printers on the market. If my demand was greater I would definitely go down the Asiga route.
 
eddydy

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what will be your main use for the printer? i apologize if its been asked already.
take your time. make the decision thats best for you!
I only do removables, quality is my number one goal.
I once said, the first client( doctor) to ask me if I'm accepting scans, will be enough reason to buy the printer.
recently, 3 of my doctors asked me, the problem is, I run a fairly busy lab and I know for a fact if I buy the scanner and printer, they will sit untouched for a couple of months.
Few reasons why I need the scanner and printer:
- accepting scans
- Design my Metal frameworks.
- I want to be able to scan, block out and print models to fabricate flexible partials.
_ some other reasons I can't think of now.
I'm not totally convinced about the printed full dentures, maybe in the future, I saw many samples in Chicago last week, I was not impressed.

Finally, My daughter just got accepted at Tufts Dental school in Boston, my son is about to apply as well, I want to be ready and up to date for when they graduate.
 
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I only do removables, quality is my number one goal.
I once said, the first client( doctor) to ask me if I'm accepting scans, will be enough reason to buy the printer.
recently, 3 of my doctors asked me, the problem is, I run a fairly busy lab and I know for a fact if I buy the scanner and printer, they will sit untouched for a couple of months.
Few reasons why I need the scanner and printer:
- accepting scans
- Design my Metal frameworks.
- I want to be able to scan, block out and print models to fabricate flexible partials.
_ some other reasons I can't think of now.
I'm not totally convinced about the printed full dentures, maybe in the future, I saw many samples in Chicago last week, I was not impressed.

Finally, My daughter just got accepted at Tufts Dental school in Boston, my son is about to apply as well, I want to be ready and up to date for when they graduate.
all excellent points. thank you for such a well thought out reply!
 
Bryce Hiller

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Another big consideration is the price of Nextdent resin. Ain't cheap, and its your ONLY option. With the asiga, you can shop around and pick the materials that work best for YOU. If you're mostly removables, I would highly discourage the Nextdent. We were not at all impressed with the baseplate resin. In the next couple of years, there are going to be some VERY impressive resins for dentures, none of which you'll have access to.
 
Bryce Hiller

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sometimes its more than just open vs closed. i mean ppl are still gobbling up 3shapes like crazy. docs still buying cerecs.
3Shape is relatively open. I can bring in STL files from any scanner. Cerec is opening up big-time too. Their latest IOS (Primescan) and software is completely open. Digital impressions, models, and even restorations can be sent to ANY lab, no charge.
 
sidesh0wb0b

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3Shape is relatively open. I can bring in STL files from any scanner. Cerec is opening up big-time too. Their latest IOS (Primescan) and software is completely open. Digital impressions, models, and even restorations can be sent to ANY lab, no charge.
they are both getting there....if you are willing to shell out the extra $$ for them. i think both 3shape and cerec realized they were painting themselves into a corner.
 
Bryce Hiller

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they are both getting there....if you are willing to shell out the extra $$ for them. i think both 3shape and cerec realized they were painting themselves into a corner.
Yes they are. I attended a Patterson event on Friday where they were showing off the new CerecPrimeScan, and I was very impressed.
 
sidesh0wb0b

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Yes they are. I attended a Patterson event on Friday where they were showing off the new CerecPrimeScan, and I was very impressed.
have they fixed the .stl data transfer so that it is the same as the normal cerec export (drawing a blank on the type of file)
 
Bryce Hiller

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have they fixed the .stl data transfer so that it is the same as the normal cerec export (drawing a blank on the type of file)
Not sure exactly what you mean, but you can export impressions, models, and restorations as STL files.
 
sidesh0wb0b

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Not sure exactly what you mean, but you can export impressions, models, and restorations as STL files.
in previous versions, the export to .stl from cerec created data that wasnt as clean as exporting its normal format via cerec connect to a connected lab.
 
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