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Is there any way I can receive Sirona scans and import into my 3-Shape for design? I thought that Sirona had opened up (for a fee, of course). But I recently heard that they had closed that door again. What do you ll know about that?
 
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Sounds like if your in Canada they allow export option, but not so in the US
 
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Just today I have installed Inlab SW 4.2 in one of our computers. Now we can receive the scan files from our doctors by Sirona connect, export it as .stl and import it in our Dental Wings.
You can do it same way with 3Shape. ( if you're in Canada ;) )
 
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Speaking to Australian HenrySchein CAD/CAM specialist rep last week - the local Sirona people advised her that Sirona is working on a method to allow InLab to receive Trios scan files. Possibly start of a trend that sees Cerec's IOS acquisition S/W being capable of saving to STL? Hey - was that a pig that just flew past?
 
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Speaking to Australian HenrySchein CAD/CAM specialist rep last week - the local Sirona people advised her that Sirona is working on a method to allow InLab to receive Trios scan files. Possibly start of a trend that sees Cerec's IOS acquisition S/W being capable of saving to STL? Hey - was that a pig that just flew past?
Awesome. They will accept other scans and people still have to design on their crappy Inlab software.
 
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OK, so let's change the question a bit (a lot actually).
Wading thru various DLN threads I see a range of negative but vague comments about InLab & Cerec hardware - but no-one seems to have recorded a detailed & substantiated list of faults/problems/flaws.
That's not too helpful for someone who's trying to make a hardware-software configuration choice.
Do you think we could compile a rational list of problems & issues that Cerec hw & sw suffer from? To be useful (at least for the rest of 2014 anyway),this list would have to relate to current hw & sw (say Cerec 4.0 and higher). I'm not interested in people's prejudices unless they have actual experience/knowledge to back these up.
Any takers? (or have I missed such a list elsewhere in the DLN resources?)
 
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Speaking to Australian HenrySchein CAD/CAM specialist rep last week - the local Sirona people advised her that Sirona is working on a method to allow InLab to receive Trios scan files. Possibly start of a trend that sees Cerec's IOS acquisition S/W being capable of saving to STL? Hey - was that a pig that just flew past?

The pigs are nesting though.....
 
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OK, so let's change the question a bit (a lot actually).
Wading thru various DLN threads I see a range of negative but vague comments about InLab & Cerec hardware - but no-one seems to have recorded a detailed & substantiated list of faults/problems/flaws.
That's not too helpful for someone who's trying to make a hardware-software configuration choice.
Do you think we could compile a rational list of problems & issues that Cerec hw & sw suffer from? To be useful (at least for the rest of 2014 anyway),this list would have to relate to current hw & sw (say Cerec 4.0 and higher). I'm not interested in people's prejudices unless they have actual experience/knowledge to back these up.
Any takers? (or have I missed such a list elsewhere in the DLN resources?)

the list is extensive.

lets begin with the scanner.
1. it takes low res scans
2. scans are full of holes, requiring a lot of rescanning
3. speed is slow
4. does not accomodate most articulations.

that right there should be enough to rule out the inlab scanner.

now the mill.
1. it is 3 axis only. its vendors may tell you it is 4 axis but i can assure you it is only 3 axis because the calculation of toolpaths does not ever involve the rotation or angulation of the part, nor do the tools experience any angulation. nothing on this machine tilts therefore it is 3 axis.
2. it takes a while
3. burs do not last long
4. the fits are less than par, and if you want to adjust the fit to be tighter and more accurate you have to make textbook preps with PERFECT corners and margins. yeah you never get that, and if you are a dentist then chances are you arent willing or are not skilled enough to do this.
5. it requires a lot of maintenance. changing burs and coolant takes time out of the day.
6. the milling can potentially cut into areas that are already minimal thickness

with that, i introduce you to the software side of grievances
1. it is proprietary; unless you pay exorbitant rates or per-click fees, you cannot move your scans to an external design suite.
2. the design suite is not easy to use
3. it is not full featured
4. it lacks detail
5. it cannot show you critical information without forcing you OUT of design phase. i.e. you cant display an overlay of information and still do design. you literally have to switch modes from design to analysis and back again.
6 it is not even optimized for new computer hardware
7. it is not flexible enough to let you custom sculpt edges, or faces.
8. there is no control panel where you modify parameters of materials, spacers, or whatever. those numbers are hard coded. this is primarily why people want to escape the design suite and transfer to exocad or 3shape

if on any of these points you need some expanded information there are a hundred of us willing to lay down.
 
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Their implant components a very expensive.
 
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the list is extensive.

lets begin with the scanner.
1. it takes low res scans
2. scans are full of holes, requiring a lot of rescanning
3. speed is slow
4. does not accomodate most articulations.

that right there should be enough to rule out the inlab scanner.

now the mill.
1. it is 3 axis only. its vendors may tell you it is 4 axis but i can assure you it is only 3 axis because the calculation of toolpaths does not ever involve the rotation or angulation of the part, nor do the tools experience any angulation. nothing on this machine tilts therefore it is 3 axis.
2. it takes a while
3. burs do not last long
4. the fits are less than par, and if you want to adjust the fit to be tighter and more accurate you have to make textbook preps with PERFECT corners and margins. yeah you never get that, and if you are a dentist then chances are you arent willing or are not skilled enough to do this.
5. it requires a lot of maintenance. changing burs and coolant takes time out of the day.
6. the milling can potentially cut into areas that are already minimal thickness

with that, i introduce you to the software side of grievances
1. it is proprietary; unless you pay exorbitant rates or per-click fees, you cannot move your scans to an external design suite.
2. the design suite is not easy to use
3. it is not full featured
4. it lacks detail
5. it cannot show you critical information without forcing you OUT of design phase. i.e. you cant display an overlay of information and still do design. you literally have to switch modes from design to analysis and back again.
6 it is not even optimized for new computer hardware
7. it is not flexible enough to let you custom sculpt edges, or faces.
8. there is no control panel where you modify parameters of materials, spacers, or whatever. those numbers are hard coded. this is primarily why people want to escape the design suite and transfer to exocad or 3shape

if on any of these points you need some expanded information there are a hundred of us willing to lay down.
That sort of sums it up.
 
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I haven't used that system in a long time when I did I could've told you how many different ways I wish I was dead because of it. So that being said, I wouldn't worry about it even if it is the best software in the entire world. if you buy your supporting the company that has their reps out telling doctors they don't need the lab anymore that they can do everything by themselves.. So do you want to support that? Even if you buy the lab version, it's still supporting the company trying to replace you.
 
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No one could ever replace you Riley.

You're one of a kind.Adore

... which makes you a really crappy poker hand by the way.
 
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I have both the Sirona X5 and 3 Shape D900. Both have their positives and negatives. The X5 does allow fully articulated models to be scanned. TheD900 does not. I was so furious that I bought this "elite" scanner and it will not even scan many mounted models. I called 3 shape and their response was use your solid model or we have the D900L.
When it comes to software, crown anatomy, and implants the 3shape software is the best. There are just some things that Sirona can't do. It is fine for single units and actually does an excellent job copying a wax up or preop. I like the Sirona system for milling emax over small implant abutments. I have a tough time getting those to press.
 
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CoolHand, thanks heaps for such a detailed answer. Getting that sort of info about any system can take forever and a bit. Your reply would make a great sticky post....
labGuy5381, sorry - I just realised I hijacked your post.
 
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Does anyone here by chance know some software to convert cdt files from the old Sirona scanner inEos (cdt to stl for instance)? Patmo et al. have solved this issue in the past (see http://www.elysiun.com/forum/showthread.php?236892-Find-the-Mesh-Data-in-a-file/page2),but the solution is no longer available. Unfortunately the cdt fileformat uses some sort of undocumented encryption and compression (if the information from the link above is correct),otherwise I would write the converter by myself. Buying some upgrade is also no option, as our research funds are limited. I also asked Sirona directly, but they were (not very surprisingly) not willing to give any hints about the file format.
 
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Does anyone here by chance know some software to convert cdt files from the old Sirona scanner inEos (cdt to stl for instance)? Patmo et al. have solved this issue in the past (see http://www.elysiun.com/forum/showthread.php?236892-Find-the-Mesh-Data-in-a-file/page2),but the solution is no longer available. Unfortunately the cdt fileformat uses some sort of undocumented encryption and compression (if the information from the link above is correct),otherwise I would write the converter by myself. Buying some upgrade is also no option, as our research funds are limited. I also asked Sirona directly, but they were (not very surprisingly) not willing to give any hints about the file format.

https://sites.google.com/site/blenderdental/home
 
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Thanks for the link, but i found this site before. Unfortunately the download is now longer available. It says "The addon is in transition right now!".
 
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I have the files on an old computer, is there an email I can send a link to?
 

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