Adhesive Advice?

[user name]

Please lend dome advice I can pass along. Best options for adhesives to use on veneers and porcelain jacket crowns.

 

[rkm rdt]

Dual cure

 

[JMN]

https://www.dentalaegis.com/id/2010/05/ceramic-adhesives-cementing-vs-bonding

 

[user name]

I have a Dr that is doing something wrong. His FCZ are regularly coming off, and when Ive done porc veneers, they break and show no sign of bonding to the tooth. Of coarse...its something Im doing wrong.

 

[JMN]

I have a Dr that is doing something wrong. His FCZ are regularly coming off, and when Ive done porc veneers, they break and show no sign of bonding to the tooth. Of coarse...its something Im doing wrong.

He's probably using pfm cement systems.

 

[rkm rdt]

Could be his temp cement .
The silane procedure is usually the source of veneer de bonding.
Patrick Coon will be your best resource on this subject.

 

[user name]

He uses a lot of ceramir and relyx,but I don't know which one.

 

[sndmn2]

The last time I had this problem , like you say, your fault, It wound up being a curing light that had diminished in strength.

 

[Contraluz]

He uses a lot of ceramir and relyx,but I don't know which one.

Doesn’t matter. It is your fault either way…

 

[JMN]

If I had to guess, he may be forgoing the pre-silination of the interior.

 

[user name]

Hes reached out to 3M for advice. Ill share what I hear back from him.

 

[JMN]

Hes reached out to 3M for advice. Ill share what I hear back from him.

That's awesome. The fact he was willing to look for help even if it was to prove you wrong is still a win.

 

[PDC]

Try this and see if he's following the proper protocol.

 

[prosthotech]

Have your doctor use the guide I wrote for BISCO. Assuming their preps are reasonable, their zirconia based problems should end.

http://www.bisco.com/assets/1/7/ID_eBook_Bisco_11thtoclient9.14.pdf

 

[larsondental]

I had a Dr with constant debonding problems. Found out he was using a mint flavor pumice on the preps prior to bonding. The mint flavor was oil based.