porcelain and non prec metal system

[sampson]

Hi
looking to get back to offering porcelain fused to metal crowns
can you suggest a porcelain brand and compatible non precious metal system available from US suppliers
looking for a system that- is easy to use , good colour match to vita shades and a strong bond to metal
thanks

 

[charles007]

Talladium makes a large selection of Np alloys matched to any porcelain you want to use.

 

[Gru]

InLine works well with all the CrCo I've cast, milled, or had printed. Very easy. If you're trying to match 3d shades, good luck. Maybe someone else has the silver bullet for these.

 

[MasterCeramist]

Many good porcelains out there. In my lab we use Inline, GC one build and for 3d shades we use ceramco IC. Also use Ivoclar 4ALL non precious alloy.

 

[user name]

Hi
looking to get back to offering porcelain fused to metal crowns
can you suggest a porcelain brand and compatible non precious metal system available from US suppliers
looking for a system that- is easy to use , good colour match to vita shades and a strong bond to metal
thanks

Please explain why. I was just last evening talking about what a blessing these new materials and machines are. Ive discontinued PFMs this year.

 

[JohnWilson]

Our metal ceramics are slowly going away, however, we just started working with Argens SLM and ask myself why I ever would cast again. The stuff just fits like a glove and my design has the absolute PERFECT metal support. No alloy inventory (at least not as large like I used to have)

 

[sampson]

Please explain why. I was just last evening talking about what a blessing these new materials and machines are. Ive discontinued PFMs this year.

Our metal ceramics are slowly going away, however, we just started working with Argens SLM and ask myself why I ever would cast again. The stuff just fits like a glove and my design has the absolute PERFECT metal support. No alloy inventory (at least not as large like I used to have)

Being based in the Caribbean market and my training being in pfm crowns- I gotta go with what i can supply my clients ,- yes there is a small demand for emax and zirconia bridges however i am unable to afford the training and equipment at this time .
Being a 1 man lab supplying dentures on the island- i want to branch out and introduce basic pfm crowns and gradia composite / bonded to metal crowns ( had the gradia system for over 6 years)

Thus i'm looking for a simple system similar to GC one build ( initial) ? so i can turn out a small amount of units with consistent results each month

any thoughts on the GC one build system?
thanks

 

[sampson]

Many good porcelains out there. In my lab we use Inline, GC one build and for 3d shades we use ceramco IC. Also use Ivoclar 4ALL non precious alloy.

thanks

 

[sampson]

InLine works well with all the CrCo I've cast, milled, or had printed. Very easy. If you're trying to match 3d shades, good luck. Maybe someone else has the silver bullet for these.

thanks

 

[sampson]

Talladium makes a large selection of Np alloys matched to any porcelain you want to use.

thanks

 

[Bobby Orr ceramics]

Hi
looking to get back to offering porcelain fused to metal crowns
can you suggest a porcelain brand and compatible non precious metal system available from US suppliers
looking for a system that- is easy to use , good colour match to vita shades and a strong bond to metal
thanks

Talladium's Tilite alloy and Luminesse ceramic system is Great!!

 

[Gru]

Oh, BTW Zahn's (Pentron) WC Bond CrCo casts easily with a torch.

 

[LA Ceramics]

Oh, BTW Zahn's (Pentron) WC Bond CrCo casts easily with a torch.

Pair it up with Pentron's Synspar and you have a winner on a budget

 

[Gru]

Haven't used synspar. How does it handle? Esthetics?

 

[Affinity]

Bego wirobond C and GC initial. Amazing bond, no nickel or berylium. Buy the initial one bake and some other modifiers as needed (INsides),then lustre paste or insync glaze..

 

[Bob Smith]

Another vote for talladium and synspar. I'm trying to go metal free myself but when the old dogs want pfm this is my go to .

 

[desertfox384]

Add me to the talladium list.. Its very easy to cast and doesn't green my porcelain or ovens as much. I've used other alloys that contaminated my ovens pretty quickly. Buttons can also be reused

 

[sidesh0wb0b]

ive used talladium/synspar combo....not impressed. at all.

if I am forced to do NP PFMs I use Argen's Argeloy NP with GC porcelain. man I am working hard to get rid of PFMs here all together. far too much labor involved and there are better solutions available nowadays.

 

[rkm rdt]

ive used talladium/synspar combo....not impressed. at all.

if I am forced to do NP PFMs I use Argen's Argeloy NP with GC porcelain. man I am working hard to get rid of PFMs here all together. far too much labor involved and there are better solutions available nowadays.

Good time to adjust your fees

 

[sidesh0wb0b]

Good time to adjust your fees

PFMs are already higher fees than emax or zirconia monolithic.
im about to make them my highest fees over layered emax/zirconia