Denture Milling

[LuthorCorp]

Good Morning,


I am looking into milling dentures, and wondering if you guys have any opinions on strategies.

lly I would like to mill the tissue and teeth separately and socket them in with minimal to no trimming, is this a possibility?

I am running 3Shape right now and I can print/mill denture tissue with sockets for teeth however these are shallow sockets that would require retrofitting teeth which is what I want to try and eliminate.


Thoughts?


Thanks

 

[sidesh0wb0b]

its not there yet...IMHO

 

[2thm8kr]

its not there yet...IMHO

[URL="http://dentallabnetwork.com/forums/threads/deigital-dentures.20550/page-2#post-183276"]Deigital Dentures[/URL]

 

[sidesh0wb0b]

[URL='http://dentallabnetwork.com/forums/threads/deigital-dentures.20550/page-2#post-183276']Deigital Dentures[/URL]

http://[URL="http://dentallabnetwor...0/page-2#post-183276"]Deigital Dentures[/URL]
I saw that, looks great! but it just hasn't taken off yet....or have I missed the memo?

 

[2thm8kr]

I saw that, looks great! but it just hasn't taken off yet....or have I missed the memo?

Probably not cheap enough yet and you are stuck with only a few teeth manufacturers.

 

[sidesh0wb0b]

Probably not cheap enough yet and you are stuck with only a few teeth manufacturers.

good point, didn't think of the tooth manufacturers.
I kind of figured/hoped printing would have come along more by now. ultimately it seems the best method in the long run, but also seems fairly stagnant lately. I could be out of the loop tho. too many hours with my eyes under the scope.

 

[LuthorCorp]

Probably not cheap enough yet and you are stuck with only a few teeth manufacturers.

Do you happen to know the name of the particular mill/software? it seems rather interesting because it would solve the biggest problem we are facing right now is the desire to not retrofit teeth once its milled, we were hoping that the mill could do one side of the denture we could fit the teeth in and then as the mill finishes the other side it would trim the excess that is technically sticking through the tissue.

But hey if the mill could fit our teeth for us that is a bonus!

 

[2thm8kr]

Do you happen to know the name of the particular mill/software? it seems rather interesting because it would solve the biggest problem we are facing right now is the desire to not retrofit teeth once its milled, we were hoping that the mill could do one side of the denture we could fit the teeth in and then as the mill finishes the other side it would trim the excess that is technically sticking through the tissue.

But hey if the mill could fit our teeth for us that is a bonus!

Amman Girrbach branded exocad.

 

[Alan JDL]

Deigital Dentures

I saw this system in Chicago. As of that time you were limited to heraeus kulzer teeth, and could not be used for just one arch. It needed to be a F/F setup. Also, at the time it would only mill wax, so it would have to be conventionally processed. They said all of that would change in the future, but for $70,000 it does not seem there yet.

 

[sidesh0wb0b]

I saw this system in Chicago. As of that time you were limited to heraeus kulzer teeth, and could not be used for just one arch. It needed to be a F/F setup. Also, at the time it would only mill wax, so it would have to be conventionally processed. They said all of that would change in the future, but for $70,000 it does not seem there yet.

at least heraeus makes decent teeth. not the best, def not the worst ive seen.
but only wax? kinda seems like price overkill for only milling wax!

 

[Alan JDL]

at least heraeus makes decent teeth. not the best, def not the worst ive seen.
but only wax? kinda seems like price overkill for only milling wax!

I agree

 

[2thm8kr]

at least heraeus makes decent teeth. not the best, def not the worst ive seen.
but only wax? kinda seems like price overkill for only milling wax!

Just milling the wax denture base, regular denture teeth, then conventionally flasked to process.
@Alan JDL I think $70k is for the whole system which would allow for other materials.

 

[2thm8kr]

Here is a little more information.

 

[Alan JDL]

Just milling the wax denture base, regular denture teeth, then conventionally flasked to process.
@Alan JDL I think $70k is for the whole system which would allow for other materials.

Yes you could use the system for anything else the mill can do. But for us being a removable lab, it would be $70,000 just for this.

 

[CoolHandLuke]

you will have to be in the business of making your own teeth to socket, not buying teeth, nor modifying bought teeth.

 

[Jesse Zamarripa]

Good Morning,


I am looking into milling dentures, and wondering if you guys have any opinions on strategies.

lly I would like to mill the tissue and teeth separately and socket them in with minimal to no trimming, is this a possibility?

I am running 3Shape right now and I can print/mill denture tissue with sockets for teeth however these are shallow sockets that would require retrofitting teeth which is what I want to try and eliminate.


Thoughts?


Thanks

What mill are you running? As far as I know the Amann Girrbach Motion 2 is the only mill that can do this. It comes with 2 different arms, one for the wax base and the second arm for the teeth(HK teeth). the base and teeth are milled to fit eachother, send for try in and then process after. The design software from Amann Girrbach is needed however.

See link below:

https://www.amanngirrbach.com/en/products/design-cad/ceramill-d-flow/

 

[Jesse Zamarripa]

I saw this system in Chicago. As of that time you were limited to heraeus kulzer teeth, and could not be used for just one arch. It needed to be a F/F setup. Also, at the time it would only mill wax, so it would have to be conventionally processed. They said all of that would change in the future, but for $70,000 it does not seem there yet.

AG system is well below 70k for all that is needed. More like 56k all in with training and installation

 

[LuthorCorp]

What mill are you running? As far as I know the Amann Girrbach Motion 2 is the only mill that can do this. It comes with 2 different arms, one for the wax base and the second arm for the teeth(HK teeth). the base and teeth are milled to fit eachother, send for try in and then process after. The design software from Amann Girrbach is needed however.

See link below:

https://www.amanngirrbach.com/en/products/design-cad/ceramill-d-flow/

We have 4 or so mills ATM the biggest being the iMES-iCORE 550i (For titanium milling). We also have a roland, and 2 to other iMES mills also.

 

[Patrick Coon]

Do you happen to know the name of the particular mill/software? it seems rather interesting because it would solve the biggest problem we are facing right now is the desire to not retrofit teeth once its milled, we were hoping that the mill could do one side of the denture we could fit the teeth in and then as the mill finishes the other side it would trim the excess that is technically sticking through the tissue.

But hey if the mill could fit our teeth for us that is a bonus!

This is actually how the Wieland/Ivoclar mill will work. You mill the tooth side of the denture, fit the teeth, and put it back in the mill to finish the tissue side. This allows the mill to "adjust" the intaglio of the tooth where it would protrude into the tissue.

Unfortunately we are not quite ready to put it out there yet. We can successfully mill a very good fitting denture against denture, but want to finalize other workflows and processes before getting it out into the wild. Latest I heard was early 2017.

 

[LuthorCorp]

This is actually how the Wieland/Ivoclar mill will work. You mill the tooth side of the denture, fit the teeth, and put it back in the mill to finish the tissue side. This allows the mill to "adjust" the intaglio of the tooth where it would protrude into the tissue.

Unfortunately we are not quite ready to put it out there yet. We can successfully mill a very good fitting denture against denture, but want to finalize other workflows and processes before getting it out into the wild. Latest I heard was early 2017.

Well at least it is in the works so thats good to know, I guess Ill keep experimenting until something comes out haha.

Thanks,