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Hi guys,
I'm in the market for a scanner for single unit crowns and copings but also bars and other larger types of restorations. I intend to mill zirconia, titanium and chrome and other ceramics (E.max)on a commercial scale. Currently, I have narrowed the milling choices to the Datron and others in that class. As far as scanners are concerned, I've read many posts and talked to quite a few people, but without actually buying several or somehow getting a room full of scanners to compare side by side it's been rather frustrating trying to sort through all of the opinions and get to the actual factual results. Any input here would be greatly appreciated, especially from those of you that have had the opportunity to use more than one (preferably several or more) of the more accurate scanners.
Here's what I've learned so far. Many people think very highly of the Imetric D105a because from what I understand it has a proprietary scanning method with the scan bodies or something I'm not quite sure about that makes it superior for scanning and making implant supported bars. I have also been told that the support and/or customer service from Imetric can be somewhat difficult but I don't know personally. Supposedly the Imetric has 5-8 micron accuracy across the arch and is considered the best one to use for bars. The Steinbichler is another scanner that has been suggested as being one of the most accurate as well (5-6 micron accuracy),to the extent that they have even devised a method to verify its accuracy even though the measuring standard is their own and doesn't conform to any international standard, not that that makes any difference either. Some individuals who have access to many of the scanners available for evaluation of their CAD software compatibility have espoused the two mentioned above as being among the best scanners they have encountered depending on what one wants to do. Another scanner (according to them) worth consideration is made by Breukmann a German company, however no one in these forums has mentioned it to my knowledge. My understanding (and please correct me if I'm wrong) is that Breukmann was in the industrial scanner business for many years and branched out into the OEM business having made scanners for Kavo and possibly Amman Girrbach in the past and maybe others. The meshes I have seen from that scanner appear to be very crisp and very detailed of those I've seen so far but what you see on the computer monitor may not be indicative of accuracy. I am aware of a scanner and milling system sold by Zubler but don't know anything about its accuracy or suitability for what I want to do. According to Zubler, the scanner is unavailable until November or so. I don't know much about Smart Optics either but they make quite a few scanners dedicated to the dental industry, 5 or 6 as I recall but no one has mentioned them as a standout among scanners. I'm told that they make the scanners for Zirkonzahn but Zirkonzahn denies this.
Additionally, not having owned a bench top scanner in the past I'm unfamiliar with the other attributes that one should look for like scanning jigs and accessories, a large enough scanning bay for full sized articulators, etc. I just don't have enough experience to be able to feel comfortable with such an expensive purchase without more input from experienced techs as are in this forum. Any help or insight would be appreciated.
By the way, I realize that many of the participants in this forum are also resellers of scanners and software. Your comments and input are welcome and are greatly appreciated however I would ask that you please acknowledge your position should you decide to respond so any conflicts of interest are fully disclosed and comments evaluated accordingly. i would also ask that those who respond confine their suggestion to white light (or in the case of the Medit, blue light) non-laser systems that are supplied with Exocad CAD software, ie. no Dental Wings, 3-Shape or other proprietary or closed systems.
I welcome the opportunity to hear from all of you and I thank you in advance.
Rick
I'm in the market for a scanner for single unit crowns and copings but also bars and other larger types of restorations. I intend to mill zirconia, titanium and chrome and other ceramics (E.max)on a commercial scale. Currently, I have narrowed the milling choices to the Datron and others in that class. As far as scanners are concerned, I've read many posts and talked to quite a few people, but without actually buying several or somehow getting a room full of scanners to compare side by side it's been rather frustrating trying to sort through all of the opinions and get to the actual factual results. Any input here would be greatly appreciated, especially from those of you that have had the opportunity to use more than one (preferably several or more) of the more accurate scanners.
Here's what I've learned so far. Many people think very highly of the Imetric D105a because from what I understand it has a proprietary scanning method with the scan bodies or something I'm not quite sure about that makes it superior for scanning and making implant supported bars. I have also been told that the support and/or customer service from Imetric can be somewhat difficult but I don't know personally. Supposedly the Imetric has 5-8 micron accuracy across the arch and is considered the best one to use for bars. The Steinbichler is another scanner that has been suggested as being one of the most accurate as well (5-6 micron accuracy),to the extent that they have even devised a method to verify its accuracy even though the measuring standard is their own and doesn't conform to any international standard, not that that makes any difference either. Some individuals who have access to many of the scanners available for evaluation of their CAD software compatibility have espoused the two mentioned above as being among the best scanners they have encountered depending on what one wants to do. Another scanner (according to them) worth consideration is made by Breukmann a German company, however no one in these forums has mentioned it to my knowledge. My understanding (and please correct me if I'm wrong) is that Breukmann was in the industrial scanner business for many years and branched out into the OEM business having made scanners for Kavo and possibly Amman Girrbach in the past and maybe others. The meshes I have seen from that scanner appear to be very crisp and very detailed of those I've seen so far but what you see on the computer monitor may not be indicative of accuracy. I am aware of a scanner and milling system sold by Zubler but don't know anything about its accuracy or suitability for what I want to do. According to Zubler, the scanner is unavailable until November or so. I don't know much about Smart Optics either but they make quite a few scanners dedicated to the dental industry, 5 or 6 as I recall but no one has mentioned them as a standout among scanners. I'm told that they make the scanners for Zirkonzahn but Zirkonzahn denies this.
Additionally, not having owned a bench top scanner in the past I'm unfamiliar with the other attributes that one should look for like scanning jigs and accessories, a large enough scanning bay for full sized articulators, etc. I just don't have enough experience to be able to feel comfortable with such an expensive purchase without more input from experienced techs as are in this forum. Any help or insight would be appreciated.
By the way, I realize that many of the participants in this forum are also resellers of scanners and software. Your comments and input are welcome and are greatly appreciated however I would ask that you please acknowledge your position should you decide to respond so any conflicts of interest are fully disclosed and comments evaluated accordingly. i would also ask that those who respond confine their suggestion to white light (or in the case of the Medit, blue light) non-laser systems that are supplied with Exocad CAD software, ie. no Dental Wings, 3-Shape or other proprietary or closed systems.
I welcome the opportunity to hear from all of you and I thank you in advance.
Rick