Can you guys recommend a good pair of mills?

[JonnyLathe]

Our clinic wants to keep everything in house and I run the lab, we aren't high volume but we're planning on having a dedicated dry mill (zirconia) and wet mill (PMMA, titanium).

We're mainly going to be milling zirconia hybrids with a ti-bar, but dentures as well.

I wanted to go with two Roland's but they don't have a mill that can handle titanium pucks, so I'm looking at ZirkonZahn mills. I'd like to keep the mills the same brand to simplify the CAM.

I don't need anything crazy and would like to keep them around $30k each if possible.

 

[Affinity]

You want to buy a new mill? For titanium, under $30k? Im not sure that exists. Someone just posted an ZZ M4 for sale here, for $40k. Just the CAM with TI strategies would be around $12-15k...
I have a nice 450i that will mill metal, if youre interested.

 

[CoolHandLuke]

titanium mill for 30k

not happening. triple that budget.

 

[TheLabGuy]

Wouldn't we all want a titanium mill for 30K...lol As @CoolHandLuke stated, those mills cost 90K

 

[Getoothachopper]

"Are you Trolling us all Jonny ?" ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I had to check to see if your username was 'jonnythelathecomedian',,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Joking aside , Titanium Mills are beasts & you won't find any cheap ones

 

[JonnyLathe]

Ok, all sounds good. I'm not trying to cheap out I just didn't know. That being said I'm more concerned about saving a bit on the zirconia mill to increase the budget for a titanium mill. That being said what would be a good brand to look at? We were originally looking at a PM7 since it's capable of both but are ideally wanting to separate wet and dry.

The ZZ M4 can mill titanium?

 

[sidesh0wb0b]

Ok, all sounds good. I'm not trying to cheap out I just didn't know. That being said I'm more concerned about saving a bit on the zirconia mill to increase the budget for a titanium mill. That being said what would be a good brand to look at? We were originally looking at a PM7 since it's capable of both but are ideally wanting to separate wet and dry.

The ZZ M4 can mill titanium?

yes the M4 can mill titanium, and you could consider an M4 dual (like i am)....keeping one side for zirconia and one side wet for milling metals.
as mentioned though, you aren't going to mill metal for $30k. that would be awesome, but nope

for just zirc, roland makes a good workhorse mill. so thats an option. once you start getting into wet milling of metals theres a bit more that goes into things.

 

[CoolHandLuke]

consider bundling; knowing you wish to use the same mill brand, same CAM, for both, check out Axsys Versamill 5x400 for soft materials, and 5x200 for hard materials.

 

[cadfan]

ZZ M1 ,2, 4 wet heavy Ti no problem milling Ti is easy compared with NEM

 

[Affinity]

Like I said, you cant buy new for that price, but I have a 450i with a 6mm collet that will mill CrCo and ti pucks for $10k, the mill has like 200 hours on it. But you still have to add CAM. People that dont buy this type of equipment love to tell you how much you have to $pend. Filet mignon taste doesnt mean you have to eat a mcdonalds burger, grab a ribeye, throw it on the grill and fill your belly.

 

[JonnyLathe]

yes the M4 can mill titanium, and you could consider an M4 dual (like i am)....keeping one side for zirconia and one side wet for milling metals.
as mentioned though, you aren't going to mill metal for $30k. that would be awesome, but nope

for just zirc, roland makes a good workhorse mill. so thats an option. once you start getting into wet milling of metals theres a bit more that goes into things.

So you're considering buying two M4's? Or is there a model called the M4 dual?

 

[CWilliams]

You could buy two M1 compact (they come predetermined for wet/ dry). *I know other labs that have this set up
M2 dual- a single disc holder in two separate chambers (one wet and one dry).
M4 wet heavy- does both wet/ dry and has a 4 disc holder (you just have to clean to convert from wet/ dry milling).

I think there's a M5 that is like the M4 but only one disc holder. Their website would have all the breakdowns. We have the M4 and have no complaints, we get a reliable and accurate product every time.

 

[Affinity]

Johnny, youre on the right track, you definitely dont want to convert a mill from wet to dry. Wet zirconia sludge is a biatch.

 

[sidesh0wb0b]

So you're considering buying two M4's? Or is there a model called the M4 dual?

i am considering either two M4s, or the M4 dual. the dual has 2 chambers (just 1 spindle though). that way i could keep one side wet for metals, and one side dry for zirc. who wants to clean out a chamber all the dang time just to switch between pucks? lol

 

[sidesh0wb0b]

You could buy two M1 compact (they come predetermined for wet/ dry). *I know other labs that have this set up
M2 dual- a single disc holder in two separate chambers (one wet and one dry).
M4 wet heavy- does both wet/ dry and has a 4 disc holder (you just have to clean to convert from wet/ dry milling).

I think there's a M5 that is like the M4 but only one disc holder. Their website would have all the breakdowns. We have the M4 and have no complaints, we get a reliable and accurate product every time.

pardon me, the M2 i am considering two of them. OR the M2 dual.

M2 Teleskoper milling unit

Flexibly configurable milling unit with 5+1 axes simultaneous milling technology, optical tool detection and touchscreen for direct control

zirkonzahn.com

M2 Dual Double Teleskoper milling unit

Flexibly configurable two-chamber milling unit with 5+1 axes simultaneous milling technology for sequential wet and dry processing of all materials without manual in-between cleaning

zirkonzahn.com

 

[rc75]

Just don't buy any mill that uses 95mm discs that's my 2 cents.

 

[Affinity]

zirkonzahn may be the reason we are all milling zirconia today, if I recall they were the first to do it manually with the copy mill, maybe the first to develop a stable zirconia for dental.. They sell a complete turnkey system and everyone who owns a ZZ mill seems to love them..

 

[grantoz]

from experience buy 2 m2 single chambers that way you have redundancy if you buy a dual you still only have one spindle. the m2 telescoper is a great mill ive had one for about 2 years now, it mills ti crco everything very well.

 

[JonnyLathe]

from experience buy 2 m2 single chambers that way you have redundancy if you buy a dual you still only have one spindle. the m2 telescoper is a great mill ive had one for about 2 years now, it mills ti crco everything very well.

That sounds exactly like what I'm in the market for. Are you milling full titanium pucks with it?

 

[CWilliams]

That sounds exactly like what I'm in the market for. Are you milling full titanium pucks with it?

Yes- bars, copings, hybrid frameworks, abutments, and post and cores