Least expensive Chrome Cobalt outsource?

[Marcusthegladiator CDT]

So the time it takes to fabricate some NP frames for provisional shells is ridiculous.
It would be so much easier to send an STL somewhere if the price was right?
The photos show and example of what I have to do to build a shell splinted with NP.
Is there anywhere I could send an STL and pay like $20-30 to have these millled/printed?

 

[RJS8669]

Use the RPD module and remit your design to RPD3D? I think the cost would be around $80 for a chrome cobalt frame....

 

[Car 54]

Marcus, did you do the wax up?

 

[2thm8kr]

Marcus, did you do the wax up?

No, one of the more talented and motivated techs at his office did.

 

[Marcusthegladiator CDT]

Yes, of course.


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[Marcusthegladiator CDT]

$80 is far too much for provisional shell frames.


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[Marcusthegladiator CDT]

No, one of the more talented and motivated techs at his office did.

That's a compliment.


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[Marcusthegladiator CDT]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/53517946@N07/


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[Car 54]

Yes, of course.

I think it looks fantastic. Love the anteriors shape, contours and morphology. Very nice work

 

[Marcusthegladiator CDT]

I think it looks fantastic. Love the anteriors shape, contours and morphology. Very nice work

Thanks, some days I can wax well, some days I can't.

 

[Car 54]

This was one of your good days We all have those kind of days, just wish the good ones would go from days to weeks to years

 

[JohnWilson]

Its 75 unpolished for the frame Marcus not per unit, also a round house like that in my lab for shell temp with cast reinforcement sells for 70 a unit a round house is almost a grand with model work.

Even at this price it is way cheaper than waxing it your self and casting it the way you showed it. You can do this type of temp in CAD way faster and mill the channel for your reinforcement slightly different than you have shown and cold cure it back in.

My experience with this sort of reinforcement is that it actually is not a big benefit unless its much thicker in chrome and then it becomes a head ache to the client if we have to reduce the preps more to accommodate for the added dimension.Nothing is worse than if they have to grind the metal before relining.

 

[2thm8kr]

Its 75 unpolished for the frame Marcus not per unit, also a round house like that in my lab for shell temp with cast reinforcement sells for 70 a unit a round house is almost a grand with model work.

Even at this price it is way cheaper than waxing it your self and casting it the way you showed it. You can do this type of temp in CAD way faster and mill the channel for your reinforcement slightly different than you have shown and cold cure it back in.

My experience with this sort of reinforcement is that it actually is not a big benefit unless its much thicker in chrome and then it becomes a head ache to the client if we have to reduce the preps more to accommodate for the added dimension.Nothing is worse than if they have to grind the metal before relining.

Make a putty matrix of the temps to use as a prep guide.

 

[Marcusthegladiator CDT]

Its 75 unpolished for the frame Marcus not per unit, also a round house like that in my lab for shell temp with cast reinforcement sells for 70 a unit a round house is almost a grand with model work.

Even at this price it is way cheaper than waxing it your self and casting it the way you showed it. You can do this type of temp in CAD way faster and mill the channel for your reinforcement slightly different than you have shown and cold cure it back in.

My experience with this sort of reinforcement is that it actually is not a big benefit unless its much thicker in chrome and then it becomes a head ache to the client if we have to reduce the preps more to accommodate for the added dimension.Nothing is worse than if they have to grind the metal before relining.

I may cold cure it back in, but if I cut a shelve or channel in my temp shell, build a patter, cast it, it may not fit as well as if I flask injected onto it. That lil bit of NP in the photo is difficult to cast without some warping. Even with the pattern resin.
We're at $65 a unit for provisionals as I alway have layered/internal staining. They're just so much work for such a small fee. Thats been a problem with lab processed provisionals for every lab. The D2000 will arrive on Mon/Tues next week. Can't wait for it to change the way I do EVERYTHING.

 

[JohnWilson]

Make a putty matrix of the temps to use as a prep guide.

The problem with prep a matrix is its just an arbitrary SUGGESTION to the client on where to go, often times we do not have all the details on how much to prep and thats why Minimally prepping solves this issue on most occasions. When I make a matrix for shell temps to aid the dr I hate it because often times they UNDER reduce because they can get the matrix in and seated and they Think this is all we need.

My biggest most active accounts are now two staging (making direct temps, sending peeped model, scan design mill Beta appliance) temp/evaluate with cad temps, prior to milling the finals.

 

[Marcusthegladiator CDT]

Make a putty matrix of the temps to use as a prep guide.

Always do. Everything is based of a diagnostic waxup built on a Semi adjustable facebow transfered with occ guide table.
From the diagnostic waxup the temps and prep guides are built.

 

[Marcusthegladiator CDT]

The problem with prep a matrix is its just an arbitrary SUGGESTION to the client on where to go, often times we do not have all the details on how much to prep and thats why Minimally prepping solves this issue on most occasions. When I make a matrix for shell temps to aid the dr I hate it because often times they UNDER reduce because they can get the matrix in and seated and they Think this is all we need.

My biggest most active accounts are now two staging (making direct temps, sending peeped model, scan design mill Beta appliance) temp/evaluate with cad temps, prior to milling the finals.

Yes John, this is most certainly something I plan on doing once our 3shape arrives and were out of the stone age.

 

[2thm8kr]

The problem with prep a matrix is its just an arbitrary SUGGESTION to the client on where to go, often times we do not have all the details on how much to prep and thats why Minimally prepping solves this issue on most occasions. When I make a matrix for shell temps to aid the dr I hate it because often times they UNDER reduce because they can get the matrix in and seated and they Think this is all we need.

My biggest most active accounts are now two staging (making direct temps, sending peeped model, scan design mill Beta appliance) temp/evaluate with cad temps, prior to milling the finals.

Make two matrices. One master and one they slice sagitally as they go.
They will then be able to see the lingual easily. My clients request it now.

 

[Marcusthegladiator CDT]

Make two matrices. One master and one they slice sagitally as they go.
They will then be able to see the lingual easily. My clients request it now.

I have one doc who utilizes one prep guide matrix that is just a facial window. He uses it well and could probably do without it as he is that good. The rest of the accounts don't know how to use the prep guides and don't understand why I ask them how they liked them designed.
If I were a dentist I would prep everything, then use the sagittal slice technique and adjust each prep accordingly as I sliced my way down the putty guide. So with these other docs, I make them a few. one with a window, one to show the lingual, and one to show the incisal, and charge them for one. At least it helps me down the line in production...

 

[rkm rdt]

The problem with prep a matrix is its just an arbitrary SUGGESTION to the client on where to go, often times we do not have all the details on how much to prep and thats why Minimally prepping solves this issue on most occasions. When I make a matrix for shell temps to aid the dr I hate it because often times they UNDER reduce because they can get the matrix in and seated and they Think this is all we need.

My biggest most active accounts are now two staging (making direct temps, sending peeped model, scan design mill Beta appliance) temp/evaluate with cad temps, prior to milling the finals.

I bet that's still faster than a remake.Good for you John. Did you have to get physical with them or did they get it from the start?