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How bad is it to mill Zirconia wet
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<blockquote data-quote="CoolHandLuke" data-source="post: 205341" data-attributes="member: 4850"><p>and they can keep on knowing that. i will continue to innovate because i love doing it. not because i need the money. lets face it if zirconia fails to be a product that launches well for sirona, theres not a lot of stops they can pull out before they are forced to re-work their entire machine lineup to get into larger volume. but by the time they do that they will be so far behind the curve they won't matter.</p><p></p><p>sirona being bought by dentsply may mean dentsply wants to sell more to dentists but it also means sirona will have to cater at least a little bit to labs. they have done this little bit by opening their software and summarily knelled their own ironic death.</p><p></p><p>since last IDS when 3shape 'announced' (and recanted) their 3shape-for-chairside-singles what happened? not a peep. videos removed. forget what you saw! next year IDS what do i expect? not a single advance in sirona software or hardware worthy of the name v17. sirona will not have advanced into in-office 3dprinting. no way in hell.</p><p></p><p>ask a dentist who paid over 110k three years ago to pay again 100k for their 'benchtop' introductory 3dprinter. hell to the no. it might do resin but it wont print a finished unit. ask them to buy another puck mill at 110k again. fukc you. </p><p></p><p>will sirona buckle and start selling their shyte benchtop mills less than planmill? not a chance.</p><p></p><p>they are dead in the water grasping at the very weeds dragging them under. theyve oversold expensive useless machines, have no buyback policy, and no forward plan except to improve on their already useless doorstop. they can know where i live. i'll be ready to accept resumes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CoolHandLuke, post: 205341, member: 4850"] and they can keep on knowing that. i will continue to innovate because i love doing it. not because i need the money. lets face it if zirconia fails to be a product that launches well for sirona, theres not a lot of stops they can pull out before they are forced to re-work their entire machine lineup to get into larger volume. but by the time they do that they will be so far behind the curve they won't matter. sirona being bought by dentsply may mean dentsply wants to sell more to dentists but it also means sirona will have to cater at least a little bit to labs. they have done this little bit by opening their software and summarily knelled their own ironic death. since last IDS when 3shape 'announced' (and recanted) their 3shape-for-chairside-singles what happened? not a peep. videos removed. forget what you saw! next year IDS what do i expect? not a single advance in sirona software or hardware worthy of the name v17. sirona will not have advanced into in-office 3dprinting. no way in hell. ask a dentist who paid over 110k three years ago to pay again 100k for their 'benchtop' introductory 3dprinter. hell to the no. it might do resin but it wont print a finished unit. ask them to buy another puck mill at 110k again. fukc you. will sirona buckle and start selling their shyte benchtop mills less than planmill? not a chance. they are dead in the water grasping at the very weeds dragging them under. theyve oversold expensive useless machines, have no buyback policy, and no forward plan except to improve on their already useless doorstop. they can know where i live. i'll be ready to accept resumes. [/QUOTE]
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