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Lab talk, the good, the bad, and the ugly
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E-Max cad cost vs Pressing cost
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<blockquote data-quote="corona" data-source="post: 116931" data-attributes="member: 3230"><p>charles007 and bobcdt have great points . IF and when the material prices go down and they will , will the profit margin to the lab go up . the problem i see is that there are just more labs offering the product ,and if your milling the product , everyone will have the same type of machine with same type of software and library so what are we really competing on? Who can do the same A1 crown the fastest ? the price will be more competative (because you need to pay for that nice milling/scanning machine ) between labs and therefore start to take a nose dive like zirconia has the big box labs will offer it even lower 25-50 % lower or more than the small 1-5 man lab . Who really wins ? </p><p></p><p>Last time i checked i was in business (as are our doctors ) to make the most profit on a service . How can a labs profitability sustain if milling machine will have to be replaced or revamped due to newer better faster more precise milling units every 3-5 years , and the price of our crowns steadily keep going down and NOT UP ? Look at our smart phone .... i remember my first one compared to the one i have now and how many i have bought since then. </p><p></p><p>I have a porcelain oven and even a pressing oven that still do the job and they are over 10 years old and still do the trick and were paid for in less than 6 months ! and i could sell them for a fair price due to the fact that they still produce devices used now . Is there a small milling machine out there that is 10 or more years old that is still doing the trick that hasnt been upgraded due to being outdated? What did that mill cost ? How much is it worth now ? </p><p>Seems like the milling companies are making a cozy profit , not the lab guy.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="corona, post: 116931, member: 3230"] charles007 and bobcdt have great points . IF and when the material prices go down and they will , will the profit margin to the lab go up . the problem i see is that there are just more labs offering the product ,and if your milling the product , everyone will have the same type of machine with same type of software and library so what are we really competing on? Who can do the same A1 crown the fastest ? the price will be more competative (because you need to pay for that nice milling/scanning machine ) between labs and therefore start to take a nose dive like zirconia has the big box labs will offer it even lower 25-50 % lower or more than the small 1-5 man lab . Who really wins ? Last time i checked i was in business (as are our doctors ) to make the most profit on a service . How can a labs profitability sustain if milling machine will have to be replaced or revamped due to newer better faster more precise milling units every 3-5 years , and the price of our crowns steadily keep going down and NOT UP ? Look at our smart phone .... i remember my first one compared to the one i have now and how many i have bought since then. I have a porcelain oven and even a pressing oven that still do the job and they are over 10 years old and still do the trick and were paid for in less than 6 months ! and i could sell them for a fair price due to the fact that they still produce devices used now . Is there a small milling machine out there that is 10 or more years old that is still doing the trick that hasnt been upgraded due to being outdated? What did that mill cost ? How much is it worth now ? Seems like the milling companies are making a cozy profit , not the lab guy. [/QUOTE]
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