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Outsourcing Concerns- FDA Regulations-ADA Regulati
A fight with a lab owner sending his work to china.
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<blockquote data-quote="BillyB" data-source="post: 18434" data-attributes="member: 1659"><p><strong>Specious arguments.</strong></p><p></p><p>Hello all.</p><p></p><p>This is my first post here.</p><p></p><p>I see a lot of anti commie and anti socialist talk in this thread.</p><p></p><p>I have to ask...</p><p></p><p>Who is using US made/owned porcelains here?</p><p>Who is using US made/owned porcelain furnaces here?</p><p>Who is using US made gypsum & stones and epoxies here?</p><p>Who is using US made/owned CAD/CAM systems here?</p><p></p><p>After spending some time browsing here I notice that most are using foreign made porcelains, ovens, equipment, etc. These European dental companies are joint ventures with their socialist governments. They have kicked the US manufacturers asses because of this advantage. Another advantage the foreign socialized dental companies have is this rubric known as "free trade". Their products are not taxed nor are there any tariffs on their cheap/subsidized labor. But they put tariffs on US made products. None of these companies pay for inflated private health care for their employees/themselves as we do in the USA. Much of the same applies to technical training in these socialized European countries.</p><p></p><p>The R&D costs of the Asian and European manufacturers is underwritten by their governments, and that is one reason why it is they who are on the vanguard of technology.</p><p></p><p>The US people and government have rejected this economic principle and we are now seeing the chickens come home to roost.</p><p></p><p>IMO, its kind of hypocritical to be complaining about socialist/communist China, while at the same time to be espousing the use of socialist/communist subsidized dental materials and equipment.</p><p></p><p>Your CAD/CAM unit is a little piece of German or Canadian or Austrian or Lichtenstein territory right in your own lab (or dental practice). Your dongle fees, license fees, ingot fees, etc etc, are going straight out of the US and into the socialist/commie coffers.</p><p></p><p>The job of any corporation is to maximize profits, and the US government has bowed to the corporate underwriting of US political campaigns, and untaxed/nontariffed outsourcing is the result. As this continues across the board in the US economy (the Walmartization of US consumerism) workers have made zero gains in income vs cost of living for over 30 years. Most Americans can only afford foreign subsidized products because of this, no matter how well made they are in the US, only the wealthiest percentile incomes will be able to afford US made. Like a leaf twirling down the drain, it spins faster and faster until it gets sucked down the drain.</p><p></p><p>We need to get back to the tax and tariff system we had from the 1930's to the 1980's to encourage US manufacturing - this is the system that made the USA the manufacturing powerhouse of the world. During those times the US was the economic powerhouse of the world. We made almost everything we used right here in the USA, and there was certainly no shortage of US millionaires back then. The US used to be the #1 exporter of finished goods and the #1 importer of raw materials - today it is exactly the reverse. Free trade, my ass. Now, due to the ending of our trade & tariff system and handing over our economy to undemocratic corporations, we have little choice but to buy socialistic and communist made products.</p><p></p><p>US capitalism (like the US dental lab industry) is now almost entirely dependent on foreign socialist/communist subsidization.</p><p></p><p>Live with it. Or change it. Is America a democracy, or a corporotocracy?</p><p></p><p>BTW, I had the Densply rep come by my lab and offer me a special deal for their customers (keep in mind that Densply is a foreign owned multinational corporation) - a China made PFM $29 including shipping (which means that UPS & FEDEX are cutting great deals to these China outsourcers to make it more profitable to kill our jobs).</p><p></p><p>What can Brown™ & FEDEX do for you? Ship your job to China overnight - and they'll handle all of the logistics.</p><p></p><p>Sorry about the rant/ I'm as POed as anyone, but I see it as much much more than simply a China problem.</p><p></p><p></p><p><img src="/forums/images/smilies/test/cheers.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt="Cheers" title="Cheers Cheers" data-shortname="Cheers" /> to all.</p><p></p><p>Billy</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BillyB, post: 18434, member: 1659"] [b]Specious arguments.[/b] Hello all. This is my first post here. I see a lot of anti commie and anti socialist talk in this thread. I have to ask... Who is using US made/owned porcelains here? Who is using US made/owned porcelain furnaces here? Who is using US made gypsum & stones and epoxies here? Who is using US made/owned CAD/CAM systems here? After spending some time browsing here I notice that most are using foreign made porcelains, ovens, equipment, etc. These European dental companies are joint ventures with their socialist governments. They have kicked the US manufacturers asses because of this advantage. Another advantage the foreign socialized dental companies have is this rubric known as "free trade". Their products are not taxed nor are there any tariffs on their cheap/subsidized labor. But they put tariffs on US made products. None of these companies pay for inflated private health care for their employees/themselves as we do in the USA. Much of the same applies to technical training in these socialized European countries. The R&D costs of the Asian and European manufacturers is underwritten by their governments, and that is one reason why it is they who are on the vanguard of technology. The US people and government have rejected this economic principle and we are now seeing the chickens come home to roost. IMO, its kind of hypocritical to be complaining about socialist/communist China, while at the same time to be espousing the use of socialist/communist subsidized dental materials and equipment. Your CAD/CAM unit is a little piece of German or Canadian or Austrian or Lichtenstein territory right in your own lab (or dental practice). Your dongle fees, license fees, ingot fees, etc etc, are going straight out of the US and into the socialist/commie coffers. The job of any corporation is to maximize profits, and the US government has bowed to the corporate underwriting of US political campaigns, and untaxed/nontariffed outsourcing is the result. As this continues across the board in the US economy (the Walmartization of US consumerism) workers have made zero gains in income vs cost of living for over 30 years. Most Americans can only afford foreign subsidized products because of this, no matter how well made they are in the US, only the wealthiest percentile incomes will be able to afford US made. Like a leaf twirling down the drain, it spins faster and faster until it gets sucked down the drain. We need to get back to the tax and tariff system we had from the 1930's to the 1980's to encourage US manufacturing - this is the system that made the USA the manufacturing powerhouse of the world. During those times the US was the economic powerhouse of the world. We made almost everything we used right here in the USA, and there was certainly no shortage of US millionaires back then. The US used to be the #1 exporter of finished goods and the #1 importer of raw materials - today it is exactly the reverse. Free trade, my ass. Now, due to the ending of our trade & tariff system and handing over our economy to undemocratic corporations, we have little choice but to buy socialistic and communist made products. US capitalism (like the US dental lab industry) is now almost entirely dependent on foreign socialist/communist subsidization. Live with it. Or change it. Is America a democracy, or a corporotocracy? BTW, I had the Densply rep come by my lab and offer me a special deal for their customers (keep in mind that Densply is a foreign owned multinational corporation) - a China made PFM $29 including shipping (which means that UPS & FEDEX are cutting great deals to these China outsourcers to make it more profitable to kill our jobs). What can Brown™ & FEDEX do for you? Ship your job to China overnight - and they'll handle all of the logistics. Sorry about the rant/ I'm as POed as anyone, but I see it as much much more than simply a China problem. Cheers to all. Billy [/QUOTE]
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