NT Trading & Hiossen

[SW_CAD_TECH]

Hi, so I'm designing a custom abutment for a Hiossen implant and am having an issue with 3shape. In the first picture with the model you can see the analog is well below tissue level, but when scanned into 3shape the analog is above tissue level, leaving an exposed margin on the abutment.

I have scanned 4 times and calibrated the scanner, each time is the same result. Is this a common problem with the Hiossen/"S" series abutments, any workarounds?

Thanks.

 

[Ikon Dental]

Have you tried scan spray?
Looks ok just the tissue scan not being picked up.

 

[SW_CAD_TECH]

Thanks for the reply, yes I did use scan spray, just cleaned it off for the picture.

 

[JohnWilson]

If you are using the scan flags from ASTRA that are supposed to be compatible with Hiossen they are not.

 

[Ikon Dental]

Thanks for the reply, yes I did use scan spray, just cleaned it off for the picture.

By habit i tried to move the pic like it was 3D. Funny!
My guess is that it is not picking up the tissue in the scan. I would put some wax on the lingual of the tissue. As to minimize the sharp edge.
let me know?

 

[SW_CAD_TECH]

If you are using the scan flags from ASTRA that are supposed to be compatible with Hiossen they are not.

Yes, I am using the "S" series 3D scan flags from NT for the 4.5/5.0 platform. I am aware the 3.5/4.0 is not compatible as the screw does not engage, but I guess the 4.5/5.0 isn't compatible either. Is there another option that I could/should be using? Thanks.

By habit i tried to move the pic like it was 3D. Funny!
My guess is that it is not picking up the tissue in the scan. I would put some wax on the lingual of the tissue. As to minimize the sharp edge.
let me know?

I will try that and see how it goes, thank you.

I tried to put a Ti base on the model and that margin is exposed too. Maybe the implant is just not deep enough...

 

[Ikon Dental]

We do the hiossen reg and mini....

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[Andrew Priddy]

if it isn't compatible, then it doesn't make any sense to try and use it... the position won't be accurate
so, do you have the correct scan body?
and, do you have the order set up correctly?
and, are you using the dme library from nt-trading? or a 3rd party dme?

these 3 issues are the place to start. it definitely is not a scanner/ calibration issue

best guess is the scanbody doesn't match the implant, or the order setup

 

[Andrew Priddy]

you can double check the implant elevation by also scanning it as a waxup to check

 

[zero_zero]

The S series works with the 4.5/5.0 Hiossen R platform...however one must use OEM analogs to do the model, and the hex part needs to be filed down a bit (I'm doing it on an lathe with jig and a dividing head)...

 

[SW_CAD_TECH]

so, do you have the correct scan body?

Yes, "S" series from NT trading

and, do you have the order set up correctly?

Yes, "S" series, 4.5/5.0 in the order form

and, are you using the dme library from nt-trading? or a 3rd party dme?

Yes and no, I'm using a DME installed from Argen, I would hope they have accurate and up to date DMEs

you can double check the implant elevation by also scanning it as a waxup to check

You mean scan the 3d scan guide in the model as a waxup? Good thinking!

The S series works with the 4.5/5.0 Hiossen R platform...however one must use OEM analogs to do the model, and the hex part needs to be filed down a bit (I'm doing it on an lathe with jig and a dividing head)...

I opened brand new Hiossen analogs for the model and when you say filed down a bit, I'm assuming vertically reducing the hex by .01, .1, 1 mm?

Thanks again!

 

[JohnWilson]

The S series works with the 4.5/5.0 Hiossen R platform...however one must use OEM analogs to do the model, and the hex part needs to be filed down a bit (I'm doing it on an lathe with jig and a dividing head)...

I respect your knowledge and your ability but this is going to come off sounding bad and judgemental so in Ricky Bobby style "in all due respect, and I mean all due respect"

This is not something I think you should do nor suggest to other techs that its a viable solution.

I am in awe that NT actually lists this as an compatible part as its no where near correct with out a lot of modifications.

 

[zero_zero]

I respect your knowledge and your ability but this is going to come off sounding bad and judgemental so in Ricky Bobby style "in all due respect, and I mean all due respect"

This is not something I think you should do nor suggest to other techs that its a viable solution.

I am in awe that NT actually lists this as an compatible part as its no where near correct with out a lot of modifications.

Techs will always do whatever they can get away with...with or without my input...

 

[JohnWilson]

Techs will always do whatever they can get away with...with or without my input...

You're a roll model Mr, wether you like it or not Can you do it with your hands and ability with no one noticing I have no doubt, can the rest of the world? very few.

 

[2thm8kr]

Hey Zero, you've been promoted.

 

[JohnWilson]

Hey Zero, you've been promoted.

He has always been my

 

[2thm8kr]

He has always been my View attachment 20219

If that is the new roll model uniform.....

 

[rkm rdt]

He's a rockstar

 

[rkm rdt]

In fact all 3 of you are rockstars

 

[skysuma]

Hi, so I'm designing a custom abutment for a Hiossen implant and am having an issue with 3shape. In the first picture with the model you can see the analog is well below tissue level, but when scanned into 3shape the analog is above tissue level, leaving an exposed margin on the abutment.
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I have scanned 4 times and calibrated the scanner, each time is the same result. Is this a common problem with the Hiossen/"S" series abutments, any workarounds?

Thanks.

Please contact me If you need help for this issue.

I am working as Engineer at Hiossen.

267-759-7010