Noritake czr liquid

[Palyaris]

Want to ask you guys: What kind of liquid do you dissolve a liners SB? And more about liquids: noritake has forming liquid for metal-porcelain - ex3, and allceramic - czr. Is there any difference between them and what kind of? Can I apply ex3-liquid to czr powder? Roughly speaking, whether to bother on the difference between them?

 

[Marcusthegladiator CDT]

I dunno, I would check the MSDS info on the two and compare.... maybe they are the exact same thing.

 

[Palyaris]

Can't understand "MSDS" - what dos it mean?

 

[Marcusthegladiator CDT]

Material Safety Data Sheet...

 

[Marcusthegladiator CDT]

Noritake MSDS - Kuraray Dental

Unfortunately, these data sheets say.... no data, no data, no data, no data, etc

 

[martintay]

Want to ask you guys: What kind of liquid do you dissolve a liners SB? And more about liquids: noritake has forming liquid for metal-porcelain - ex3, and allceramic - czr. Is there any difference between them and what kind of? Can I apply ex3-liquid to czr powder? Roughly speaking, whether to bother on the difference between them?

For Shade Base i use the" Miester Liquid" - its nice and viscous . When i`ve mixed it i use a "pallette" knife to crush it and make the SB smoother ! Also add a drop of food colouring too see the nice thin layer on coping ! The EX3 or Cerabean are both fine to use IMO - prefer the EX3 Modeling fluid though.

 

[Palyaris]

Indeed. There is no annotation to this product. Thanks for the answers.

 

[Palyaris]

Thank you Martintay!

 

[sepyoukey]

I just found the MSDS for the forming liquid: http://www.kuraraydental.com/images/downloads/noritake-msds/7_forming_liquid.pdf

It seems to state that the EX-3 Forming Liquid / Carabien Forming Liquid / CZR Forming Liquid are all the same thing, all being listed under the product identifier on the same MSDS.

 

[rkm rdt]

I have used both liquids for both ceramics with no problems.

same with the stains ( not the glaze)

 

[ts4341]

I use a drop of Miester Liquid, then add forming liquid to the rest.. works great

 

[Tayebdental]

I have been building the Noritake porcelain and other porcelain using "the dry porcelain technique " for 16+ years by using distilled water only with no problems at all, it is faster saves on materials and very easy.

 

[Palyaris]

Thank you all for your answers. It seems these liquids are quite the same. I've used the meister liquid ex3 building allceramic without problems. For stains I did not use it, because I have a ES Liquid - it's cheaply and it makes no sense to economize.
About a distilled water - I have been using it for metal-ceramic during a several years, but this summer I've sampled a forming liquid and I liked it wary much. Because I live in the south and in summertime is very hot here (35°C - 43°C),that's why the powder, mixed by distilled water, dry quickly.
And second: using of distilled water makes the porcelain little bit pale - not as lively as a forming liquid. May be it's just a peculiarity of the local water.

 

[LDent]

...not to crazy about Noritakes forming liquid. I dont like the way it dries out. Ive come to experience that Meister liquid is better, when used with water. Also, you can use Meister liquid for either Ex-3 or CZR

 

[Palyaris]

Oh, I was making a middle. I mixed all up. Of course - the Meister Liquid I had in mind (in view)