Milling and printing in office

[greeny]

Hi DrG
My name is Al Morad, I am the sales manager for Axsys Dental Solutions. I would like to help you in your quest for a mill and printer.

After viewing your recent post, I thought it might be a good opportunity for you to learn about us, our VersaMIll 5XS Precision Dental Machining Center.

The Knowledge gained from our employees experiences, CNC repair technician, nearly 40 years of CAD/CAM/CNC manufacturing experience in the industrial sector enables us to compare solutions such as the one you are proposing from an in-depth technological and price/performance perspective. It also enables us to provide a level of support that no other distributor of Digital Dental Manufacturing systems is able to provide.

Specifically, have worked with many CAM solutions. As a result, I we intimate knowledge of CAM software's internal structure as well as their strengths and weaknesses in just about any application you could imagine. I encourage you to contact me to discuss this solution and its effectiveness in your application prior to making and purchase decisions.

Relative to our company and solutions, you can find out more through the links I have provided below.

I would be happy to provide references so that you could learn first hand the quality of our solutions and our ability to support the fabrication of complex dental prostheses. One such testimonial can be found in the link to an Inside Dental Technology story on one of our customers as well as the fact that National Dentex Corporation has standardizd on our VersaMIll 5XS and has over 15 in production in their organization.

I sincerely believe it would be in your best interest to at least take a look through our website before you make your final machine purchase decision.

If you would allow, I would love to talk to you about this. If you decide to do so my email address is: [email protected] and my cellular number is 734-260-3022 office number is 248-926-8810. Of course we can always communicate through this or any new conversation thread.

Thank you for your time,
Sincerely
AL Morad

Our Vesamill 5XS full 5-axis Machining Center, CAM, Training, Material, Tooling and Machine Control and our outstanding support team...all for under $30,000! Please check us out at www.axsysdental.com or call me anytime at 248-926-8810

It would also be helpful to know that Al and his very experienced team at Axsys have sold milling solutions to labs AND practices alike. So, they're familiar with the unique needs of a dental practice and have proven solutions for your specific applications.

 

[rkm rdt]

Dental Lab Network

 

[DrG]

If you are in the US, I have a doc that does this in house. Pm me for details and I can put you in touch with him

Hi there,
Thanks but I am not sure how to PM you ?

 

[JMN]

Hi there,
Thanks but I am not sure how to PM you ?

You'll need at least 10 posts/messages to initiate a PM. After that there will be an envelope that is between the flag and your DrG username/account link towards the top of the page. When that appears, you've made the minimum, and when hovering over the envelope a link will pop down that says 'Start a new Conversation". It's pretty simple from there.

 

[DrG]

You'll need at least 10 posts/messages to initiate a PM. After that there will be an envelope that is between the flag and your DrG username/account link towards the top of the page. When that appears, you've made the minimum, and when hovering over the envelope a link will pop down that says 'Start a new Conversation". It's pretty simple from there.

Gotcha.
That's 6...

 

[DrG]

Doing my due diligence...

I learned that Milling machines are not super open. Implants companies are not very open as well.
Pick your poison...

I love Straumann implants and the no bone loss I see over and over compared to other systems.
I don't want to mill non-Straumann validated custom abut to my patients.
My choices for mills are now much more scarce.
Amman Girchbach was bought by Straumann not too long ago.
I was told Imes and VHS may have a Straumann aprroved validated workflow...not so sure.

I get that printing surgical guides is way easier, at least in the sense there is no restriction with the supply of material/ti blanks from implant companies.

I understand my post is not super exiting and may be threatening to lab techs (whom I respect a lot, at least the good ones) but as a Periodontal surgeon/implant geek, I gotta fully understand what's out there. We, board certified Specialists in implants (Perio, OS guys to a lesser extent) face competition from week-end course GP's miss treating our patients and taking business from us. I gotta think out of the box and always learn to be a better clinician, yet need to find ways to increase my profit margin, pay the hundreds of thousands of students loans I (we younger Specialists) have.

I hope that my post comes as positive and not as a "taker only" and that you will let make my case as a DDS posting here and wanting to exchange expertise with the dental lab community.

 

[grantoz]

dr g we are a sensitive bunch but we do spend a lot time training and researching on how to do these things and how to use the machines i personally have spent $200000 on training in cadcam and zirconia manufacturing at zirkonzahn alone and that doesnt include purchasing the equipment.so i must confess that its interesting to say the least that different people get on this website techos included and look for easy solutions and there isnt any so you will get some help but by the same token it will be done with a bit of mischief . this is how DLN ers roll.

 

[CoolHandLuke]

Doing my due diligence...

I learned that Milling machines are not super open. Implants companies are not very open as well.
Pick your poison...

I love Straumann implants and the no bone loss I see over and over compared to other systems.
I don't want to mill non-Straumann validated custom abut to my patients.
My choices for mills are now much more scarce.
Amman Girchbach was bought by Straumann not too long ago.
I was told Imes and VHS may have a Straumann aprroved validated workflow...not so sure.

I get that printing surgical guides is way easier, at least in the sense there is no restriction with the supply of material/ti blanks from implant companies.

I understand my post is not super exiting and may be threatening to lab techs (whom I respect a lot, at least the good ones) but as a Periodontal surgeon/implant geek, I gotta fully understand what's out there. We, board certified Specialists in implants (Perio, OS guys to a lesser extent) face competition from week-end course GP's miss treating our patients and taking business from us. I gotta think out of the box and always learn to be a better clinician, yet need to find ways to increase my profit margin, pay the hundreds of thousands of students loans I (we younger Specialists) have.

I hope that my post comes as positive and not as a "taker only" and that you will let make my case as a DDS posting here and wanting to exchange expertise with the dental lab community.

why not partner with a lab on this project. instead of undertaking all the in house cheap junk options, partner up and get something nicer.

DOF has a fantastic leasing program for scanners, start there. Medit too.

design up some of the work to be done and find a lab that can make it. this will do two things: 1 save time on the lab end. 2 introduce you to CAD which is far easier to learn to do correctly than CAM. in doing this you will find out where your undercuts become problematic, where your height constraints happen.

DO NOT make the mistake of assuming a form2 can start you off as a production printer. it is not. it is a toy. made for 1 per week prints. you put that thing through production and you end up buying 12 printers a year obliviating the hardware. for that money you should have bought something better.

 

[vurban210]

Amman Girchbach was bought by Straumann not too long ago.

Maybe I am mistaken but I don't believe that Straumann bought Amann Girrbach. I thought they just were partnered together on several fronts.

 

[DrG]

Yes I think that you are right.
It looks like it is just a partnership.