FCZ look terrible in the mouth

[disturbed]

gladly....but honestly its more fun watching you guys squirm as the **** wears craters in enamel,the fatigue failures, and chips. looks like crap in the mouth 90% of the time, no chemical bond, but yea,looking through a invoice they probably look great...

 

[rkm rdt]

How's those pics and you tube videos coming along?

You must have a full length feature film by now? Did Mel Gibson get back to you yet?


Still butchering teeth with those Metalica monsters I see.

 

[CoolHandLuke]

i'd love to see a PFM that looks better.

 

[eyeloveteeth]

i'd love to see a PFM that looks better.

CAPTEK in the hands of a good ceramist is unreal. It will def look better

 

[Al.]

Cool Hand, I wont attack or defend FCZ. It is a commodity crown. Cheap and fast. Has its place in todays market.
Drs don't care how they look only how cheap they are.

I do few posterior PFMs anymore but they are easy to make look decent.

Most the crappy ones you see are just poorly made, same as with any material.
Less about material but more the technician.

Interesting I work with prosthodontics departments at 2 different universities. They are still old school and prescribe PFMs for the posterior and emax for Bicuspid forward.
I tell them mono emax is stronger than pfm but......

All pfms below. 12 units Old cases.

If pfms look bad its the tech or no room.

 

[CoolHandLuke]

bingo. the tech needs to know how to make a good pfm in order to get decent results.

the fcz however require much less skill. it gets good form from even rudimentary level CAD skill. it only gets better from there, being that the crown goes through sintering and adding a second layer of stain.

FCZ makes even a bad technician look OK and that may be part of the reason it was adopted so much.

 

[rkm rdt]

Luke,

Don't let Al seduce you with his pfm porn!

He's trying to lure you back to the dark side but you must resist.

Fight the good fight young cad cammer, you are the future not the past.

You are learning to print for a reason.

 

[disturbed]

How's those pics and you tube videos coming along?

You must have a full length feature film by now? Did Mel Gibson get back to you yet?


Still butchering teeth with those Metalica monsters I see.

posting pics here is a pain. you want to see some of my work? find me on facebook. as far as the video goes.. still waiting on scott to mill me a Hammer out of zr..

 

[CatamountRob]

you want to see some of my work? find me on Facebook .

Under Disturbed?

 

[rkm rdt]

gladly....but honestly its more fun watching you guys squirm as the **** wears craters in enamel,the fatigue failures, and chips. looks like crap in the mouth 90% of the time, no chemical bond, but yea,looking through a invoice they probably look great...

You mean like this?

 

[CoolHandLuke]

is that... rust ?

 

[CoolHandLuke]

posting pics here is a pain. you want to see some of my work? find me on facebook. as far as the video goes.. still waiting on scott to mill me a Hammer out of zr..

posting pics is easier than wiping my ass.

 

[rkm rdt]

You can see where the dr had adjusted the canine incisal because of the minimal clearance.

Sad thing is that the pt has lost the molar because of metal flexing at the margin.

She can't afford another bridge and quite frankly doubts a new bridge would be any better.

I don't blame her.

 

[rkm rdt]

is that... rust ?

no

mung

 

[CoolHandLuke]

metal is clearly superior.

 

[charles007]

You can see where the dr had adjusted the canine incisal because of the minimal clearance.

Sad thing is that the pt has lost the molar because of metal flexing at the margin.

She can't afford another bridge and quite frankly doubts a new bridge would be any better.

I don't blame her.

Long span like that needed an attachment... and more reduction ..
I mostly see opaque,,,, reduction coping needed and a smack across the face to the doc for attempting large cases like this... lol

 

[disturbed]

opaque p

You mean like this?

popped clean off the metal....whats that tell you?.....do you know what type of np this is?...

going back to observing...communicating here hurts my brain...

 

[disturbed]

.

 

[CatamountRob]

Now you FCZers have gone and done it.....made 'sturbed come on here and give you what for.
You've awaken the sleeping bore.

 

[TheLabGuy]

You can see where the dr had adjusted the canine incisal because of the minimal clearance.

Sad thing is that the pt has lost the molar because of metal flexing at the margin.

She can't afford another bridge and quite frankly doubts a new bridge would be any better.

I don't blame her.

I wonder if mandibular Flex-ure wasn't the cause of this? It's still shltty ceramics/bridge support but I wouldn't be surprised if this was'nt a poor tx plan from the start???