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Lets talk Ivoclar's new prices for zirconia discs...
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<blockquote data-quote="cadguru11" data-source="post: 336001" data-attributes="member: 25020"><p>The problems with the machine have ranged from everything from significantly premature spindle failure to pump failure and a whole lot in between. I'm new to this lab forum, and my only goal has been to put out some of the issues my team and I have faced- the puck price is at the bottom of the list. It's been a few years since I bought it and there's scarcely more information out there now then there was then. Regarding your comment on saving thousands though, I will touch on that. I keep the work inhouse because I want to ensure the quality and I enjoy it. That being said, the quality is progressively less of an issue- with zirconia- as time goes on and so many cad/cam labs are milling out great quality for incredible value. When you figure in a six figure equipment investment, and add to that highly trained lab techs with decades of experience- and their well deserved salaries- you don't save much, if any, money producing zirconia. It would be cheaper to just design and send out STL files and finish them in house- hence why many do that. The cost savings used to really come in when so much was porcelain over zirconia copings and frameworks- let's not even talk about metal- and a third party lab may have been charging upwards of $200/unit. Furthermore, depending on how low some of the third party prices are nowadays, the cost to even finish is very close to my own. A prosthodontic practice has a lab because of a multitude reasons, but unfortunately cost savings isn't at the top of the list. Anyone who's ran a lab knows that the cost of the metal and porcelain wasn't what you had in a pfm. Unless you do it all yourself or your technicians work for peanuts, time is where your cost lies.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="cadguru11, post: 336001, member: 25020"] The problems with the machine have ranged from everything from significantly premature spindle failure to pump failure and a whole lot in between. I'm new to this lab forum, and my only goal has been to put out some of the issues my team and I have faced- the puck price is at the bottom of the list. It's been a few years since I bought it and there's scarcely more information out there now then there was then. Regarding your comment on saving thousands though, I will touch on that. I keep the work inhouse because I want to ensure the quality and I enjoy it. That being said, the quality is progressively less of an issue- with zirconia- as time goes on and so many cad/cam labs are milling out great quality for incredible value. When you figure in a six figure equipment investment, and add to that highly trained lab techs with decades of experience- and their well deserved salaries- you don't save much, if any, money producing zirconia. It would be cheaper to just design and send out STL files and finish them in house- hence why many do that. The cost savings used to really come in when so much was porcelain over zirconia copings and frameworks- let's not even talk about metal- and a third party lab may have been charging upwards of $200/unit. Furthermore, depending on how low some of the third party prices are nowadays, the cost to even finish is very close to my own. A prosthodontic practice has a lab because of a multitude reasons, but unfortunately cost savings isn't at the top of the list. Anyone who's ran a lab knows that the cost of the metal and porcelain wasn't what you had in a pfm. Unless you do it all yourself or your technicians work for peanuts, time is where your cost lies. [/QUOTE]
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