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Is there a bad zirconia
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<blockquote data-quote="npdynamite" data-source="post: 339601" data-attributes="member: 11802"><p>The topic of picking a zirconia is a very well worn topic on here and I almost don't want to start another thread about it, but here goes.</p><p></p><p>I've been scouring dln and occasionally other places for weeks for information on picking zirconia and there is a TON of information. Unfortunately I haven't found that the ton of information is that helpful when the rubber meets the road of actually making the selection. Now I know that sounds like a complaint or a bad thing, but I don't neccesarily think that it is, it seems to me that the Zirconia market has gotten good enough that for the most part there aren't truly "bad" zirconias anymore (I'm sure there are plenty, but I'm mostly refering to the larger more common names)</p><p></p><p>I get the impression that if I focus in on almost any one zirconia brand and start looking at user experiences with it, you get everything from "it's the best thing ever" to "it's crap don't buy it". Not litterally of course but yall get the point. If I look at marketing and talk to the companies I find that they all have pretty similar offerings with their own spin and you just have to trust their marketing that their way is better, but of course they can't all be better. (but wait, does that mean their marketing isn't 100% true at all times?!)</p><p></p><p>My impression from that observation is that most if not all of the main brands of zirconia are pretty good if not great and the real decision has more to do with which one happens to work best for that particular lab. The factors determining that being that their particular sintering oven works well with and one that the ceramist finds easy to work with and achieve accurate shades with. Of course both of these factors can be widely varying. </p><p></p><p>If those factors are in fact the biggest factors determining which zirconia is best for a lab, is there any way to avoid simply getting a bunch of pucks and running a lot of trials to choose a zirconia? and am I wrong and are there some companies producing truly crappy zirconia? If so how would one identify it?</p><p></p><p>I hope this isn't too broad of an approach to the question, I just wanted to see if anybody has found better way to either choose a zirconia than simply trial and error. Or see if there is any simple way to at least weed out the zircs that you want to avoid. It just seems most of the user experience cases are more anecdotal than conclusive.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Also just because I'm sure it will come up, I am in no way talking about the benefits of transitioning pucks vs. non transitional or 5y vs 4y vs 3y or any of those things. I'm specifically talking about one companies comparable offering to another companies almost identical offering</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="npdynamite, post: 339601, member: 11802"] The topic of picking a zirconia is a very well worn topic on here and I almost don't want to start another thread about it, but here goes. I've been scouring dln and occasionally other places for weeks for information on picking zirconia and there is a TON of information. Unfortunately I haven't found that the ton of information is that helpful when the rubber meets the road of actually making the selection. Now I know that sounds like a complaint or a bad thing, but I don't neccesarily think that it is, it seems to me that the Zirconia market has gotten good enough that for the most part there aren't truly "bad" zirconias anymore (I'm sure there are plenty, but I'm mostly refering to the larger more common names) I get the impression that if I focus in on almost any one zirconia brand and start looking at user experiences with it, you get everything from "it's the best thing ever" to "it's crap don't buy it". Not litterally of course but yall get the point. If I look at marketing and talk to the companies I find that they all have pretty similar offerings with their own spin and you just have to trust their marketing that their way is better, but of course they can't all be better. (but wait, does that mean their marketing isn't 100% true at all times?!) My impression from that observation is that most if not all of the main brands of zirconia are pretty good if not great and the real decision has more to do with which one happens to work best for that particular lab. The factors determining that being that their particular sintering oven works well with and one that the ceramist finds easy to work with and achieve accurate shades with. Of course both of these factors can be widely varying. If those factors are in fact the biggest factors determining which zirconia is best for a lab, is there any way to avoid simply getting a bunch of pucks and running a lot of trials to choose a zirconia? and am I wrong and are there some companies producing truly crappy zirconia? If so how would one identify it? I hope this isn't too broad of an approach to the question, I just wanted to see if anybody has found better way to either choose a zirconia than simply trial and error. Or see if there is any simple way to at least weed out the zircs that you want to avoid. It just seems most of the user experience cases are more anecdotal than conclusive. Also just because I'm sure it will come up, I am in no way talking about the benefits of transitioning pucks vs. non transitional or 5y vs 4y vs 3y or any of those things. I'm specifically talking about one companies comparable offering to another companies almost identical offering [/QUOTE]
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