Flexcera tooth and base.

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I am thinking about buying the Einstein printer. Mainly for removables. Is anyone using the flexcera materials? I received a sample denture from them today and it looks pretty darn good. Miles ahead of the formlabs material. How does this material hold up over the long term?
 
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I've heard Einsteins support is kinda bad and they don't last that long. If it were me I'd go Asiga, you can print flexcera on it. Rodin is a better option for dentures IMO, stronger base resin and more esthetic tooth resins.
 
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I tried out flexcera on probably 50 dentures, I have rebased almost all of them with acrylic because of breaking issues. I have an einstien printer, and it prints great but the support is poor and yearly price for warranty and support is $2400.
 
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Why Einstein?
I'm not sold on Einstein. Just researching between Asiga and Einstein. I received a sample denture from Einstein yesterday and it looks great. I've resisted printing any dentures up to this point but I am toying with the idea of printing transitional partials and immediates. That being said. I do have a formlabs printer but I do not like the way their denture base resin looks and I will not use that for printing any dentures.
 
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From the sounds of things it looks like Asiga may be a better option. I've been using a closed system (formlabs) and have not tinkered with any open systems. What is the learning curve with the Asiga printer?
 
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Asiga. the learning curve is a few 3 min videos. Just set up a a new one at a friends lab.. printing without a misprint for a few months now. we have the Ackuretta and love it... should be on your list of printers for sure..

flexcera and Rodin, or better yet Titan when it hits validation
 
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I tried out flexcera on probably 50 dentures, I have rebased almost all of them with acrylic because of breaking issues. I have an einstien printer, and it prints great but the support is poor and yearly price for warranty and support is $2400.
no way i would go this route
 
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I tried out flexcera on probably 50 dentures, I have rebased almost all of them with acrylic because of breaking issues. I have an einstien printer, and it prints great but the support is poor and yearly price for warranty and support is $2400.
What did you use to bond acrylic to resin for rebase? Or just mechanical undercuts?
 
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Undercuts and some diatoric holes. The wear on the tooth part seems to be decent, the base just has durability issues. My own opinion is that the material is really hard and strong but can't flex enough.
 
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Using Flexcera, rebasing in acrylic, or paying $2400 a year for warranty/ support???!!
The plan started out as doing digital dentures and cutting costs, the rebase was added in to rescue the ones already made. I only do the digital ones now on digital submitted cases that are for temp dentures. I do mill out a few dentures and those work good. It is just faster and cheaper to make them by hand. We have 3 printers and they run non stop for models, baseplates, and duplicates, and ortho. I love the technology, just the material is not there for long term use yet.
 
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Undercuts and some diatoric holes. The wear on the tooth part seems to be decent, the base just has durability issues. My own opinion is that the material is really hard and strong but can't flex enough.
I've found that with most resins.
 
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The plan started out as doing digital dentures and cutting costs, the rebase was added in to rescue the ones already made. I only do the digital ones now on digital submitted cases that are for temp dentures. I do mill out a few dentures and those work good. It is just faster and cheaper to make them by hand. We have 3 printers and they run non stop for models, baseplates, and duplicates, and ortho. I love the technology, just the material is not there for long term use yet.
Nailed it.
 
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Undercuts and some diatoric holes. The wear on the tooth part seems to be decent, the base just has durability issues. My own opinion is that the material is really hard and strong but can't flex enough.
So what do you do if they sink drop it, bust off couple incisors, and plan on getting it back tomorrow?

Forgot/ swallow/ couldn't find the pieces.
 
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So what do you do if they sink drop it, bust off couple incisors, and plan on getting it back tomorrow?

Forgot/ swallow/ couldn't find the pieces.
Depends how broken it is. If it is really bad I reprint a mono block and new teeth. Then flask the mono block and put the new teeth in when processing.
 
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