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<blockquote data-quote="paulg100" data-source="post: 40334" data-attributes="member: 1643"><p>"from past experience IMO you will not get rid of that with a venner feldspathic or emax</p><p>the gingival does not look to bad in photo you sent "</p><p></p><p>take a look at this book and see how and what you can mask with feldspathic (the tech work is michel magne)</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.quintpub.co.uk/index.php?modules=default&op=productdetail&act=books&pro_id=239&cat_id=86&start=&nstart=&search_keyword=bonded" target="_blank">Quintessence Publishing</a> porcelain&fromfile=searchlist</p><p></p><p>Trust me, you can do alot more with feldspathic than you can ever do with pressed when it comes to masking and colour control. That to me is the big thing feldspathic has over pressed.</p><p></p><p>"I just had to do the same thing. I used HO, made a thin (o.5) coping and painted a thin wash of the purple stain to fake some translucency, then layered porcelain. It worked well. Just don't paint too much it would lower the value too much. If you see the purple on the surface, it is too much."</p><p></p><p>Would be great to see an intra oral shot of how it looked <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />, not saying it cant be done and sure your work is great but id be very impressed if this looked vital in the mouth. </p><p></p><p>"Alot of people complain about using HO ingots. You can opaque a metal frame and do real nice PFMs...a HO ingot is leaps ahead of that. I like to use an old Finesse porcelain opaque guide to help dial in the color before I layer."</p><p></p><p>When was the lst time you made a minimal prep metal veneer? If you completely block ALL light with metal or the HO's virtually do, then you need sufficient porcelain space to impart vitality again (OK you can try to fake it with a complex grey mix but even that has its limits),so if the space is minimal then how do you do this? </p><p></p><p>"I just had to do the same thing. I used HO, made a thin (o.5) coping and painted a thin wash of the purple stain to fake some translucency, then layered porcelain"</p><p></p><p>purple stain is a light reflector, not an absorber. Use a complex grey to absorb the light. Again would be great to see what this looked light in the mouth with purple stain underneath, a reflective core with a reflective stain. Im guessing it looked as dead as hell but i may be wrong.. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="paulg100, post: 40334, member: 1643"] "from past experience IMO you will not get rid of that with a venner feldspathic or emax the gingival does not look to bad in photo you sent " take a look at this book and see how and what you can mask with feldspathic (the tech work is michel magne) [url=http://www.quintpub.co.uk/index.php?modules=default&op=productdetail&act=books&pro_id=239&cat_id=86&start=&nstart=&search_keyword=bonded]Quintessence Publishing[/url] porcelain&fromfile=searchlist Trust me, you can do alot more with feldspathic than you can ever do with pressed when it comes to masking and colour control. That to me is the big thing feldspathic has over pressed. "I just had to do the same thing. I used HO, made a thin (o.5) coping and painted a thin wash of the purple stain to fake some translucency, then layered porcelain. It worked well. Just don't paint too much it would lower the value too much. If you see the purple on the surface, it is too much." Would be great to see an intra oral shot of how it looked :),not saying it cant be done and sure your work is great but id be very impressed if this looked vital in the mouth. "Alot of people complain about using HO ingots. You can opaque a metal frame and do real nice PFMs...a HO ingot is leaps ahead of that. I like to use an old Finesse porcelain opaque guide to help dial in the color before I layer." When was the lst time you made a minimal prep metal veneer? If you completely block ALL light with metal or the HO's virtually do, then you need sufficient porcelain space to impart vitality again (OK you can try to fake it with a complex grey mix but even that has its limits),so if the space is minimal then how do you do this? "I just had to do the same thing. I used HO, made a thin (o.5) coping and painted a thin wash of the purple stain to fake some translucency, then layered porcelain" purple stain is a light reflector, not an absorber. Use a complex grey to absorb the light. Again would be great to see what this looked light in the mouth with purple stain underneath, a reflective core with a reflective stain. Im guessing it looked as dead as hell but i may be wrong.. :) [/QUOTE]
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