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Zirconium Titanium Hybrid?
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<blockquote data-quote="zero_zero" data-source="post: 209662" data-attributes="member: 9932"><p>The sad truth is: that most of the support personnel doesn't know advanced stuff, since it not only requires an in-depth knowledge of the software, but also a good understanding of the given technical aspect. Resellers don't want to get into this because it would increase their overhead, hence support boils down to mostly addressing trivial issues... All these "pro's" out there on social media or providing expensive training are mostly self taught, having spent long hours experimenting to figure out ways to get things done.</p><p></p><p>After all my experience with dental CAD, when it comes to advanced work, I'm looking at it more like just another tool to use and take advantage, not like a solution to replace the entire workflow. Given the complexity of the implant borne structures there's no existing workflow (as of now, to my knowledge) to cover all scenarios you could throw at it. Our work is being about 75% implants, prosthodontics and TMJD's, I had to come up with creative ways to make things easy designing and producing these restorations, using the latest materials. Apart from getting the work done mostly digitally, I still have to augment it here and there with the true and tried analog methods. After having "fun" with 3shape for more than five years, got tired with it's ever increasing restrictiveness and switched to Exo, yet still using a variety of 3D editors to get certain things done... </p><p></p><p>Here's an example of an implant supported temp bridge with flange, mostly digital workflow, finished the old fashion way. Patient is overclosed w/ severe TMJ and resorbed alveolar ridge, a future full mouth reconstruction. Some implants were paced, alleviated the the TMJ issues with lower screw retained PEEK bite pads. Needed some long term temp solution till the maxillo facial reconstructive surgery is done. Opted for a hybrid PEEK bar with with a PMMA secondary structure (done digitally) with an acrylic flange done the analog route... This type of of workflow is not readily supported by any "dental" CAD , so I had to rely on 3rd party software to compensate for any shortcomings. Bar, teeth, flange (not produced digitally, only for visualization) were all designed digitally, bar and teeth were cut and glued together (used some thick ortho wire as well to be on the safe side)...have yet to find a way to mill (or print ?) the flange and still be able to seamlessly bind the three parts together.</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH]21355[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]21356[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]21361[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]21357[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]21358[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]21359[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]21360[/ATTACH]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="zero_zero, post: 209662, member: 9932"] The sad truth is: that most of the support personnel doesn't know advanced stuff, since it not only requires an in-depth knowledge of the software, but also a good understanding of the given technical aspect. Resellers don't want to get into this because it would increase their overhead, hence support boils down to mostly addressing trivial issues... All these "pro's" out there on social media or providing expensive training are mostly self taught, having spent long hours experimenting to figure out ways to get things done. After all my experience with dental CAD, when it comes to advanced work, I'm looking at it more like just another tool to use and take advantage, not like a solution to replace the entire workflow. Given the complexity of the implant borne structures there's no existing workflow (as of now, to my knowledge) to cover all scenarios you could throw at it. Our work is being about 75% implants, prosthodontics and TMJD's, I had to come up with creative ways to make things easy designing and producing these restorations, using the latest materials. Apart from getting the work done mostly digitally, I still have to augment it here and there with the true and tried analog methods. After having "fun" with 3shape for more than five years, got tired with it's ever increasing restrictiveness and switched to Exo, yet still using a variety of 3D editors to get certain things done... Here's an example of an implant supported temp bridge with flange, mostly digital workflow, finished the old fashion way. Patient is overclosed w/ severe TMJ and resorbed alveolar ridge, a future full mouth reconstruction. Some implants were paced, alleviated the the TMJ issues with lower screw retained PEEK bite pads. Needed some long term temp solution till the maxillo facial reconstructive surgery is done. Opted for a hybrid PEEK bar with with a PMMA secondary structure (done digitally) with an acrylic flange done the analog route... This type of of workflow is not readily supported by any "dental" CAD , so I had to rely on 3rd party software to compensate for any shortcomings. Bar, teeth, flange (not produced digitally, only for visualization) were all designed digitally, bar and teeth were cut and glued together (used some thick ortho wire as well to be on the safe side)...have yet to find a way to mill (or print ?) the flange and still be able to seamlessly bind the three parts together. [ATTACH]21355[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]21356[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]21361[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]21357[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]21358[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]21359[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]21360[/ATTACH] [/QUOTE]
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