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<blockquote data-quote="TECHARTISAN" data-source="post: 68619" data-attributes="member: 1289"><p>Well Gita</p><p>There is currently only one significant project that has launched (pre)sales already...<a href="http://b9creator.com/" target="_blank">B9Creator</a>. There are several others in the works though. DLP based printing is a growing pursuit of the 3d modellers. 100 and 50 micron XY and 10-100 adjustable Z have become the "success standard" amongst the hobbyist community. Most envisiontec printers do 43 XY, thats only harder than 50 microns by a factor of mathmatics. A few newer Eteks can do 21 microns.</p><p></p><p>Where the Eteks fancy german projectors give them an edge is build area. </p><p>The b9 is using a 1024X768 projector so at 50 microns your build area is 51.2 mm (2.02″) x 38.4 mm (1.52″)...If you were to DIY with a 1920X1080 96mm (3.78") X 54mm (2.1375"). While that is greater than the older generation perfactory machines....the newer ones use much higher resolution multichip DLP systems and with resolutions like 2800 x 2100 you wont find off the shelf solutions to get the same build areas....</p><p></p><p>BUT....</p><p></p><p>in a more fair fight....</p><p>Compare to Eteks entry level dlp printer the aureus does 43 micron XY in a 60mm x 45mm build area....</p><p>$2375 for a B9</p><p>vs</p><p>$48,900 for the aureus.</p><p>More than 20X the cost for 7 microns and 8.8mm X 6.6mm....of course....If you upgraded to 1920X1080 and scaled to 43 microns youd have the aureus beat with a build area of 85mm X 46mm</p><p></p><p>Its worth noting....</p><p>a <a href="http://www.henryschein.com/us-en/Shopping/ProductDetails.aspx?productid=2200005&CatalogName=ZAHN&promocode=LL" target="_blank">replacement bulb for a mini ddp</a> $1049</p><p>a<a href="http://www.henryschein.com/us-en/Shopping/ProductDetails.aspx?productid=1106008&CatalogName=ZAHN&promocode=LL" target="_blank"> liter of wic 300 </a> $989</p><p>and a <a href="http://www.henryschein.com/us-en/Shopping/ProductDetails.aspx?productid=2200007&CatalogName=ZAHN&promocode=LL" target="_blank">replacement basement (replacement resin tray)</a> $449</p><p>$2487 (a bit of supplies $112 more than the b9 printer)</p><p></p><p>Seems like if your thinking of a printer.....this project....or one of the others that will be showing up this year...is worth a hard thought.</p><p></p><p>Is it already a turnkey dental ready solution....no. In fact, I dont know of anyone dealing with dental applications yet. There are only a handful of these types of systems completed already. But the technology is quite basic. There are a number of people working on them. At this moment, The b9 kickstarter has 52 systems already spoken for....and its only been live for a week. The design and software are open source...so there will be a pretty decent size group of people doing development soon.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TECHARTISAN, post: 68619, member: 1289"] Well Gita There is currently only one significant project that has launched (pre)sales already...[URL="http://b9creator.com/"]B9Creator[/URL]. There are several others in the works though. DLP based printing is a growing pursuit of the 3d modellers. 100 and 50 micron XY and 10-100 adjustable Z have become the "success standard" amongst the hobbyist community. Most envisiontec printers do 43 XY, thats only harder than 50 microns by a factor of mathmatics. A few newer Eteks can do 21 microns. Where the Eteks fancy german projectors give them an edge is build area. The b9 is using a 1024X768 projector so at 50 microns your build area is 51.2 mm (2.02″) x 38.4 mm (1.52″)...If you were to DIY with a 1920X1080 96mm (3.78") X 54mm (2.1375"). While that is greater than the older generation perfactory machines....the newer ones use much higher resolution multichip DLP systems and with resolutions like 2800 x 2100 you wont find off the shelf solutions to get the same build areas.... BUT.... in a more fair fight.... Compare to Eteks entry level dlp printer the aureus does 43 micron XY in a 60mm x 45mm build area.... $2375 for a B9 vs $48,900 for the aureus. More than 20X the cost for 7 microns and 8.8mm X 6.6mm....of course....If you upgraded to 1920X1080 and scaled to 43 microns youd have the aureus beat with a build area of 85mm X 46mm Its worth noting.... a [URL="http://www.henryschein.com/us-en/Shopping/ProductDetails.aspx?productid=2200005&CatalogName=ZAHN&promocode=LL"]replacement bulb for a mini ddp[/URL] $1049 a[URL="http://www.henryschein.com/us-en/Shopping/ProductDetails.aspx?productid=1106008&CatalogName=ZAHN&promocode=LL"] liter of wic 300 [/URL] $989 and a [URL="http://www.henryschein.com/us-en/Shopping/ProductDetails.aspx?productid=2200007&CatalogName=ZAHN&promocode=LL"]replacement basement (replacement resin tray)[/URL] $449 $2487 (a bit of supplies $112 more than the b9 printer) Seems like if your thinking of a printer.....this project....or one of the others that will be showing up this year...is worth a hard thought. Is it already a turnkey dental ready solution....no. In fact, I dont know of anyone dealing with dental applications yet. There are only a handful of these types of systems completed already. But the technology is quite basic. There are a number of people working on them. At this moment, The b9 kickstarter has 52 systems already spoken for....and its only been live for a week. The design and software are open source...so there will be a pretty decent size group of people doing development soon. [/QUOTE]
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