Who sells Katana in Canada?

[CoolHandLuke]

You dislike Noritake having a monopoly on their own product?...And yes we disagree. I believe in private property rights, and you do not

what part of the phrase

i would fight one massive company looking to secure a monopoly on one product by buying the entire supply, and exclusive sales rights in order to fix the price. but you and i see liberty from two different perspectives.

didn't you understand ? Noritake may have manufacturing rights and rights to sales, but not if the entire stock goes to one distributor for the territory of Canada. i get it, its different in America, but please observe the topic of the thread - its clearly marked "in Canada"

 

[Bryce Hiller]

in Canada, you can buy about 49% of all dental products on the market through HS, and the other 48% through Dentsply. the other 2 % account for miscellany, and test products usually not for sale to professionals until regulation authorities approve it for use; then HS and Desntsply descend like vultures. HS and Denstply both rebrand their own things here as much as they do in the states, HS calles it Zirlux if theres no copyright on the original product.

in the USA its a different story. what you buy in Alabama you can also buy in Maine without going to a national chain supplier and still buy it using the same product name. there are no players controlling any national product sale or exclusive distribution.

its a big difference.

you and I both know there are certain products that are objectively, provably, superior to others. STML and UTML is one of those products. for me, and the subject of the thread, in Canada that means we go through 1 supplier, a national chain who controls the market. there is no freedom to buy from someone else. as a lab i cannot import a product from the usa for use. as a dentist i can't order lab products. as an OMFS i cant order lab products either. if i tried to order STML through an american supplier, they would deny it over the border because i cannot be an importer.

see what i face is the problem that i would greatly desire the ability or freedom to buy from another supplier, but that does not exist in our infrastructure, it is in fact controlled like a drug. but not by government, by the monster that is uncle hank. uncle hank made it so that only independent companies who act as retailers can import products for sale. then because this is listed as a medical device it can only be purchased by labs and sold by prescription only.

if i wanted to make a product in canada i have to go through HS to get most quality products, Dentsply for most of the lesser used products, or simply not play the game.

cannot buy from germany because i cant be an importer, i intend to use it.

the only thing i'm complaining about is that i cant trust uncle shhein to provide me products that help keep me in business. your free-market solution doesnt work here.

technically i have the ONLY right to this product, because HS doesnt even have a lab. its just an importer, distributor, with all the power to buy up product. its by prescription only, so HS should have no reason to buy any of it.

i want the freedom to cut out the middleman, a freedom you enjoy.

HS is therefore the only reason Canada hasnt gone down the 99$ crown route. you simply can't get material supplied at low enough cost.

Blame your government. Not the company. Sheesh.

 

[Bryce Hiller]

what part of the phrase

didn't you understand ? Noritake may have manufacturing rights and rights to sales, but not if the entire stock goes to one distributor for the territory of Canada. i get it, its different in America, but please observe the topic of the thread - its clearly marked "in Canada"

The only reason it's different in Canada is regulation. Not the manufacturer's fault. It's your government's fault.

 

[sirmorty]

You can get it from Westan. You guys are arguing over nothing.

 

[CoolHandLuke]

The only reason it's different in Canada is regulation. Not the manufacturer's fault. It's your government's fault.

not even.

right now i can set up CHL overseas imports and buy stock and sell it to myself. no big deal, except HS buys it all so i'd be on waiting lists and be lower priority.

 

[CoolHandLuke]

You can get it from Westan. You guys are arguing over nothing.

no, u can't when their website returns PHP errors like it does.

 

[Bryce Hiller]

not even.

right now i can set up CHL overseas imports and buy stock and sell it to myself. no big deal, except HS buys it all so i'd be on waiting lists and be lower priority.

Then my previous point stands. You don't have the right to someone else's product. Don't get me wrong, that sucks. But that doesn't make it ok to use government coercion to force them to provide you their product at a price you like. Buy it from your distributor or don't buy it.

 

[CoolHandLuke]

no, Bryce, i don't want the goernment todo anything, i want HS to stop existing. i want them bankrupt and dentsply to follow.

as a lab i have the right to buy and use this product, not them. why should i pay them for the right to do business ? thats them taxing my business.

 

[CoolHandLuke]

imagine if BestBuy had so much money that the only place you can buy a computer in the usa was to go to bestbuy.

because they bought all the stock from all the chinese suppliers.

thats the scope of HS's domain in dental in Canada.

 

[Bryce Hiller]

no, Bryce, i don't want the goernment todo anything, i want HS to stop existing. i want them bankrupt and dentsply to follow.

as a lab i have the right to buy and use this product, not them. why should i pay them for the right to do business ? thats them taxing my business.

False. You don't. You have ZERO right to the product of another person's labor. They aren't taxing you. Taxes are involuntary. Your purchasing of Katana is a voluntary transaction.

 

[Bryce Hiller]

imagine if BestBuy had so much money that the only place you can buy a computer in the usa was to go to bestbuy.

because they bought all the stock from all the chinese suppliers.

thats the scope of HS's domain in dental in Canada.

Poor comparison. Katana is a specific brand. "Computer" is a generic term. Not to mention you're inventing a scenario that doesn't exist.

 

[sirmorty]

Ok Cool Hand Luke.
I guess I just imagined the pucks I have from Westan are Noritake. Dude you need to pick up a phone and call sometimes. Not everything's is on the internet..

 

[user name]

imagine if BestBuy had so much money that the only place you can buy a computer in the usa was to go to bestbuy.

because they bought all the stock from all the chinese suppliers.

thats the scope of HS's domain in dental in Canada.

Best Buy...ugh. Going off topic. Did you know, you can go to Klipsch and buy high quality speakers, made at the Klipsch factory with tested and matched parts...but if you go to Best Buy and purchase Klipsch speakers, they are made outside of our Country with unbalanced/mismatched electronics and slapped with a Klipsch lable?

Doesn't seem right. Just like buying a Fender Stratocaster ( ). Buy a real American made model, they start at 1500 bucks. Buy one with an 'M' in the seriel number and its 500 bucks...made in Mexico with Asian cheapo parts. Still has a Fender brand logo. Just doesn't seem right.

back to you...

 

[JMN]

I'm still wondering why nobody has pointed out how much Katana and Canada sound alike if you have a cold.

 

[CoolHandLuke]

False. You don't. You have ZERO right to the product of another person's labor. They aren't taxing you. Taxes are involuntary. Your purchasing of Katana is a voluntary transaction.

i have the ONLY right to buy Noritake products because I am doing the labour, not Henry Skein. since i have to buy from HS, its an involuntary tax, a middleman i should not have to deal with. the only reason they exist is to markup products. they provide no value otherwise. they arent the ones bringing new products to market through regulatory bodies, they exist purely as a 3rd party.

thats a tax. just a tax by another name, its called the price of doing business. the admittance fee for entering the door of playing in the dental Casino.

hows this for a real scenario then.

imagine you want to purchase a car. pick a car, any car. truck, whatever. you have to go to a dealer. thats the way. you go into a ford dealer and buy whats on the lot, and the dealer gets a cut of the cost.

imagine there was this gigantic car dealer that you had to go to, no matter where in the country you wanted to buy. the guys in Atlanta to Seattle all pay the same dealer. its not a bunch of independents, its one big umbrella dealer.

thats the scope of HS in dental in Canada.

you don't have that where you are. i understand.

 

[CoolHandLuke]

in fact you have an industry equivalent. telecom.

you want to buy internet in the states you have TWC or Comcast., and if not those then the tiny local markets. TWC agrees not to sell in Comcast areas. same as HS agrees not to sell Denstply product exclusives.

why didn't i think of it earlier, its perfect.

 

[Bryce Hiller]

i have the ONLY right to buy Noritake products because I am doing the labour, not Henry Skein. since i have to buy from HS, its an involuntary tax, a middleman i should not have to deal with. the only reason they exist is to markup products. they provide no value otherwise. they arent the ones bringing new products to market through regulatory bodies, they exist purely as a 3rd party.

thats a tax. just a tax by another name, its called the price of doing business. the admittance fee for entering the door of playing in the dental Casino.

hows this for a real scenario then.

imagine you want to purchase a car. pick a car, any car. truck, whatever. you have to go to a dealer. thats the way. you go into a ford dealer and buy whats on the lot, and the dealer gets a cut of the cost.

imagine there was this gigantic car dealer that you had to go to, no matter where in the country you wanted to buy. the guys in Atlanta to Seattle all pay the same dealer. its not a bunch of independents, its one big umbrella dealer.

thats the scope of HS in dental in Canada.

you don't have that where you are. i understand.

I don't have to go to a dealership to buy a car. I can buy it straight from an individual. Regardless, you continue to create scenarios that do not and will never exist. Completely irrelevant.

You don't seem to understand what the word "tax" means. Taxes are forced. They are involuntary. Play whatever mental gymnastics you want, but you are still voluntarily purchasing Katana brand. You could use other brands. We're trying out Origin from Utah. Give them a look. Henry Schein does provide value. You just seem to have some kind of hatred for them, therefore it taints your entire ability to look at this problem rationally. I'm all for cutting out middlemen, trust me. But regulation and legislation literally NEVER lowers costs. It only increases costs. It only creates barriers.

If this is really that big of an issue in Canada, it would seem that there is a huge market to make some money in. Open up your own dental supplier and solve the problem. If HS is that hated in your country, you'd make a killing.

 

[Bryce Hiller]

in fact you have an industry equivalent. telecom.

you want to buy internet in the states you have TWC or Comcast., and if not those then the tiny local markets. TWC agrees not to sell in Comcast areas. same as HS agrees not to sell Denstply product exclusives.

why didn't i think of it earlier, its perfect.

It's not perfect because it's a complete falsehood. I have 4+ options for cable/internet where I live. And that's in a rural town. Everywhere I've ever lived, I've had at least two choices. But there are areas where you only 1 or 2 options. Wanna know why? Government regulation. Companies have either been granted exclusive rights from local governments or the regulation makes it far too expensive for competition to start up. Same with utilities. Fortunately, this is changing. Especially with mobile hotspots and the like. Competition drives prices through the floor.

As for monopolies (of which, there really are very few in the United States, if any),in a free market, they only exist when they provide the best product for the cheapest price. Either way, the consumer wins. Granted that's in a truly free market, which doesn't exist in either the US or Canada unfortunately.

 

[RCKSTR]

What have I started here...HS was able to pull some stock out of the USA and get it to me before I ran out (just barely). Crisis averted. I agree 100% buying from one monopoly sucks. It wouldn't be so bad if they could keep the sufficient stock they promise to carry. It is EXTREMELY frustrating to know there are pallets of in in the US, but there is no stock in Canada, and it can't cross the imaginary line without some serious begging and escalating up the chain.

 

[CoolHandLuke]

I don't have to go to a dealership to buy a car. I can buy it straight from an individual. Regardless, you continue to create scenarios that do not and will never exist. Completely irrelevant.

You don't seem to understand what the word "tax" means. Taxes are forced. They are involuntary. Play whatever mental gymnastics you want, but you are still voluntarily purchasing Katana brand. You could use other brands. We're trying out Origin from Utah. Give them a look. Henry Schein does provide value. You just seem to have some kind of hatred for them, therefore it taints your entire ability to look at this problem rationally. I'm all for cutting out middlemen, trust me. But regulation and legislation literally NEVER lowers costs. It only increases costs. It only creates barriers.

If this is really that big of an issue in Canada, it would seem that there is a huge market to make some money in. Open up your own dental supplier and solve the problem. If HS is that hated in your country, you'd make a killing.

new car, NEW car, you HAVE to buy from a dealership. you know i know this because Tesla. Tesla CANNOT be sold in some states because you CANNOT buy a new, factory fresh car from the factory, you MUST purchase through a dealer which tesla refuses to do.

as for internet no, again those little people selling internet are renting TWC or Comcast infrastructure and marking it up. amazing how you managed to mss that whole Net neturality thing that underlined and eboldened that entire thing. you have NO access to internet through 3rd party OTHER THAN google who set up rural internet access for like 6 towns in all the united states, which makes them a non competitior.