What kind of mill do you own? and what's the lifespan?

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ZZm5 10-11 years still goes great normal service stuff.ZZ M4 2-3 yeas little less relaible but is milling many ti bars works a lot harder still very happy. ZZ hand mill 14years still works fine but i never want to use it again my eyes arent that good.
 
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Its too bad the Wieland Select seems to be full of issues. We originally bought a Wieland 4030 and then a DWX50. The Wieland ran light to medium duty for almost 10 years with just the usual tune-ups until then, finally, a chattery spindle came to haunt us. We used to use the DWX on the softer materials and the Wieland on the Zirconia. The Jaeger spindle just seemed to do better on the zirc.

The nice thing was the CAM was paid for life and the CNC interpreter so it became a fun hobby machine. Added lollipops, 0.3mm bur, extra long model milling burs, ect. Took a tour of a milling center in Germany when Wieland was still selling them and they had 3 running full time for years with no issues. IMES in Germany still offers support to this day! Unfortunately, I have heard a lot of complaints about the Weiland select that came after. The mini seems ok.
 
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vhf K4 for 5 years. no problems
vhf K5 2,5 years perfect
vhf S1 wet and dry 1 year bought used new spindle.

All run with Cam 7 and DS- Cam
They all are workhorses if you keep them clean
 
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Hi! Did you ever have to replace the spindle and spindle motor? I've had my DWX50 for 5 years now, so I was just wondering if it's time to start thinking about buying a new one. Any advice?
Yes, its time! You should replace it every 2500 hours. I did mine after 3000 hours. It's only the spindle you have to replace because it is belt driven so the motor is separate.
 
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Yes , Ceramill Dna Motion 2 . Spindle broke after 640 hous !!!! Bought this machine 1, 5 year ago !!! Milling just Zirconia and PMMA, no titanium no sintron . Very dissapointed , now facing the bill for new spindle and repair as the machine is out of warranty .
 
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Do you run them all from the same software?
Yes, Wieland DS Cam. Here is our setup. The mini in the middle is the cam then cnc on the other two along with the mini. I shared the cnc transfer folder on each of the mills on the side and if you look closely on the middle screen you see 3 windows on the bottom of the screen, I cam and have the cnc on the mini convert the proprietary Work NC file to the working NC files. Then I cut and paste the folders to the needed cnc folder. I also have a second seat on the Cam for the select so I can do both mini and select off one cam. Just need to select the machine type before setting up the units in the disk. Been rocking this setup for almost 2 years flawlessly!

Then the hybrid select has its own separate setup only for it, cuts mainly wet, then dry when needed.

Also the sweet part is I run a software called synergy, cost me 20.00 and acts as a virtual KVM switch. That's why you only see one keyboard and mouse. Mini pc is the server and the other two are clients and the mouse moves across the pc's as a dual or triple monitor setup, then once on the other pc screen the keyboard come active on the pc. Slickest 20.00 I ever spent!!! LOL

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Yes, Wieland DS Cam. Here is our setup. The mini in the middle is the cam then cnc on the other two along with the mini. I shared the cnc transfer folder on each of the mills on the side and if you look closely on the middle screen you see 3 windows on the bottom of the screen, I cam and have the cnc on the mini convert the proprietary Work NC file to the working NC files. Then I cut and paste the folders to the needed cnc folder. I also have a second seat on the Cam for the select so I can do both mini and select off one cam. Just need to select the machine type before setting up the units in the disk. Been rocking this setup for almost 2 years flawlessly!

Then the hybrid select has its own separate setup only for it, cuts mainly wet, then dry when needed.

Also the sweet part is I run a software called synergy, cost me 20.00 and acts as a virtual KVM switch. That's why you only see one keyboard and mouse. Mini pc is the server and the other two are clients and the mouse moves across the pc's as a dual or triple monitor setup, then once on the other pc screen the keyboard come active on the pc. Slickest 20.00 I ever spent!!! LOL

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Thanks, that's pretty sweet! I have a mini and select together but whenever I've talked to VHF they tell me Wieland CAM won't work. The select ran flawless for a year then down twice last year where Ivoclar had to come and repair. So because of that have been considering adding another mill but I don't want to have to stock discs for each mill.
 
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VHF M200's from Jensen. Running hard and no issues since 2012. Replaced a short wire and some touch plates.
 
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Yes, Wieland DS Cam. Here is our setup. The mini in the middle is the cam then cnc on the other two along with the mini. I shared the cnc transfer folder on each of the mills on the side and if you look closely on the middle screen you see 3 windows on the bottom of the screen, I cam and have the cnc on the mini convert the proprietary Work NC file to the working NC files. Then I cut and paste the folders to the needed cnc folder. I also have a second seat on the Cam for the select so I can do both mini and select off one cam. Just need to select the machine type before setting up the units in the disk. Been rocking this setup for almost 2 years flawlessly!

Then the hybrid select has its own separate setup only for it, cuts mainly wet, then dry when needed.

Also the sweet part is I run a software called synergy, cost me 20.00 and acts as a virtual KVM switch. That's why you only see one keyboard and mouse. Mini pc is the server and the other two are clients and the mouse moves across the pc's as a dual or triple monitor setup, then once on the other pc screen the keyboard come active on the pc. Slickest 20.00 I ever spent!!! LOL

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Hi again Sevan, what's the Cyclone in bottom left on 2nd pic, not familiar to me? Thanks and have a Great time in Chicago, we decided to pass this year, gov't shutdown stuff wore us out being from Canada and all...
Next year hopefully for certain!!! Still owe you the best steak in Chicago along with Jason F, you can mark your calendar on this one!!!
 
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Hi again Sevan, what's the Cyclone in bottom left on 2nd pic, not familiar to me? Thanks and have a Great time in Chicago, we decided to pass this year, gov't shutdown stuff wore us out being from Canada and all...
Next year hopefully for certain!!! Still owe you the best steak in Chicago along with Jason F, you can mark your calendar on this one!!!
Thanks. Tha's because it is a Quadro I-vac and not a cyclone. lol!
 
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Thanks, that's pretty sweet! I have a mini and select together but whenever I've talked to VHF they tell me Wieland CAM won't work. The select ran flawless for a year then down twice last year where Ivoclar had to come and repair. So because of that have been considering adding another mill but I don't want to have to stock discs for each mill.
If you you don't have a Wieland dongle for the cnc then you can not use the output files from Wieland cam to vhf, but if you have a mini complete with everything Wieland then once the cnc file is converted it works in the vhf cnc. They both run the same CNC software, except Wieland converts the output file from their proprietary file to a working NC file that VHF can read.
 
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If you you don't have a Wieland dongle for the cnc then you can not use the output files from Wieland cam to vhf, but if you have a mini complete with everything Wieland then once the cnc file is converted it works in the vhf cnc. They both run the same CNC software, except Wieland converts the output file from their proprietary file to a working NC file that VHF can read.
I had Wieland basic on my mini. I have advanced on the select. I bought a second seat for the advanced dongle and hooked up the select advanced to send to the mini. So I guess I'd just need another seat on the advanced dongle. Do the new K5 work with this as well?
 
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