(more) rants about 3i Encode/Bellatek

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anyone want to post their horror stories about this sh*t mess of a system? 3i needs to get with the times. cant do a soft tissue model? they "refuse" to allow metal anywhere in the model (prob for their crap 'robocast' process).

just this year alone ive had to send 3 cases back to the Dr before even starting because there literally is no known way to fabricate the restorations. why? because of the stupid ass rules 3i forces upon everyone.

not only do I HATEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE this effing system, but I am going to have a discussion with the local surgeon placing this sh*t. sure, its easy for the surgeon and general dr....until I force upon them additional appointments because the system sucks hairy goat balls.

anyway....ill post an image of this fine days cluster-mess. basically 10 units maxillary....3 implant systems.... 4 encode healing caps, 1 zimmer, and 2 nobel. and HIGHLY cosmetic case...will end up with pink porc for some anterior areas. I believe its #4-13 total...but prob 2 bridges if possible.

screw you biomet 3i/zimmer. your bellatek/encode trash is WAY too over priced and a waste of my damn time.
 
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Tell us what you really think! We do soft tissue models but they're single system jobs. To be fair...great if they're only Biomet but as soon as there is another system in the same arch restoring at the same time i would be asking for a new open tray impression.

Guys we do work for that CAN take open tray impressions with other systems are doing encode for Biomet...Even with a 4 week wait on the case. Everyone is getting a little lazy!

As for the cost how much more expensive? it might cost like 50 dollars more in the end right?

Good luck with the case!
 
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No rants here for the 8 total I have done since they launched it but, but I hate how much it costs and that the sales reps tell our doctors the total is $500.00 with a crown. LOL you F'ing retards it is more then that for the abutment. I stopped doing them since 3 years ago! Good luck Encode......................$495 to drill into my model and GLUE an analog into it with no tissue and rape me for an abutment? What dumb arse thought that would be a good idea, Oh wait he had to be the laziest POS on the Earth to help is fellow lazy asses out there get by. NO THANKS.
 
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Tell us what you really think! We do soft tissue models but they're single system jobs. To be fair...great if they're only Biomet but as soon as there is another system in the same arch restoring at the same time i would be asking for a new open tray impression.

Guys we do work for that CAN take open tray impressions with other systems are doing encode for Biomet...Even with a 4 week wait on the case. Everyone is getting a little lazy!

As for the cost how much more expensive? it might cost like 50 dollars more in the end right?

Good luck with the case!
its significantly more expensive than a milled custom Ti abutment. 2x-3x as expensive....or more. no kidding.
and the results are crap at best. as Sevan P said, a 'glued' in analog? really? all the crap they make me jump through and they cant come up with a better solution? and the models end up getting destroyed too. the last one i had, they completely busted the custom stone mounting plates i make for the Stratos articulations. then they charged me for remounting....i called and pitched a fit to them and absolutely refused to pay. eventually they found images of MY mounting and realized a tech screwed up and credited me those fees.

this is a horrible system and far less accurate than it should be. i will be having a sit down with any surgeons locally that are placing them. luckily i make surgical guides for one and we are on good terms. ill cool off a bit first though! lol
 
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I hate this system with everything I have. We don't do too many though. We do soft tissue models with all implant cases so on top of the costs, there's the time to make a model everyone can work with and making a soft tissue that really isn't that accurate. My local rep asked how we could make it better... I told him to just...... stop......
 
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I hate this system with everything I have. We don't do too many though. We do soft tissue models with all implant cases so on top of the costs, there's the time to make a model everyone can work with and making a soft tissue that really isn't that accurate. My local rep asked how we could make it better... I told him to just...... stop......
the local 3i rep for me is a total tool bag. never returns calls or emails. so i only get to rip into the customer service reps....who know little to nothing about the issues with their product (service)
 
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I make it work for me.

I just charge more,

EASY
i agree, i try to make it work as best as possible on singles....and the fees are increased every time due to the PITA nature of it.

theres no way to use what i have been given this time.....unless im missing something. ill post a pic
 
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It slows my production, I would prefer NOT to have to ship my models anywhere. I refuse to pay the money to get encode "enabled" or what ever stupid name they call it. Its not a big product for us in my lab as most of the better quality clients understand that its not that hard to take a fixture level imp.

Their is a cost for laziness/inexperience.... I enjoy the phone call when the first invoice gets read. On future cases when they enter the lab I call and remind them of the fees. You will be surprised how fast things go a more traditional route for future cases.
 
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This is one you will have to digitally design or send to a lab that has been "empowered"

Doing an altered cast is your second choice as well once it gets returned
 
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This is one you will have to digitally design or send to a lab that has been "empowered"

Doing an altered cast is your second choice as well once it gets returned
going to have the general take a new fixture level imp on all platforms.
 
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anyone want to post their horror stories about this sh*t mess of a system? 3i needs to get with the times. cant do a soft tissue model? they "refuse" to allow metal anywhere in the model (prob for their crap 'robocast' process).

just this year alone ive had to send 3 cases back to the Dr before even starting because there literally is no known way to fabricate the restorations. why? because of the stupid ass rules 3i forces upon everyone.

not only do I HATEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE this effing system, but I am going to have a discussion with the local surgeon placing this sh*t. sure, its easy for the surgeon and general dr....until I force upon them additional appointments because the system sucks hairy goat balls.

anyway....ill post an image of this fine days cluster-mess. basically 10 units maxillary....3 implant systems.... 4 encode healing caps, 1 zimmer, and 2 nobel. and HIGHLY cosmetic case...will end up with pink porc for some anterior areas. I believe its #4-13 total...but prob 2 bridges if possible.

screw you biomet 3i/zimmer. your bellatek/encode trash is WAY too over priced and a waste of my damn time.
You forgot to add that you're on your own for screws
 
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You forgot to add that you're on your own for screws
shoot, must you remind me! i had forgoten or purposely blocked that part from memory!
 
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Hi Guys- how many of you, started doing them when they first came out, and had position problems? Later to find out( 3i admitted that they had to "change the glue" . Oh well your problem , not theirs. So I was told.


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Hi Guys- how many of you, started doing them when they first came out, and had position problems? Later to find out( 3i admitted that they had to "change the glue" . Oh well your problem , not theirs. So I was told.


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I did my first one within a few months of them launching Encode. But I never had an positioning issue. Can't you do Encode via 3shape now? Or is it via Itero IO scanner?
 
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The first thing I do with a case like that is make a custom tray .
 
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Encode is big in our area. We became Encode Empowered two years ago. Works pretty well. Before that? Not so much. I lost a very good account once because 3i broke his model on two cases, back-to-back. Somehow, it was my fault...
 
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I did my first one within a few months of them launching Encode. But I never had an positioning issue. Can't you do Encode via 3shape now? Or is it via Itero IO scanner?

Sadly, at that time, I didn't have any other options available to me. Other than pushing for fixture level impressions. Also, a side note, twice positioning was off by specialists not tightening down healing abutments,which only compounded the problem. You live and learn.


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Sadly, at that time, I didn't have any other options available to me. Other than pushing for fixture level impressions. Also, a side note, twice positioning was off by specialists not tightening down healing abutments,which only compounded the problem. You live and learn.


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Most implant errors are on the specialists side, didn't x-ray to see if the impression coping is down all the way, or didn't properly place the plastic covers like for straumann, or simply didn't have enough impression material around the copings for stability. Then it is on us.

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