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    Metal Types

    Discussion in 'Metal' started by 2oothguy, Aug 29, 2017.

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      Hi all I have a question on what metal types you are using for your PFM's? We use ceramco 3 porcelain and have been using for years a 80% palladium metal. But with the palladium prices going up we are looking to change. Any info or help on this would be great. Most of our work is zirconium but we still have a high volume of PFM's. Thanks
       
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      I use ARGELITE 75+6 from Argen with Ceramco porcelain. I think the only option to reduce the metal cost would be to find something that uses more silver(Ag). I may have to change metal too if palladium keeps going up in price.
       
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      i have found the bego co cr alloys fantastic good fit good color inexpensive easy to cast
       
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      yea i was looking at Argelite 61. To me late makes it cheap enough to do the switch. Thanks for your input.
       
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      Are those Nobel alloys?
       
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      no its cobalt chrome its still bio compatible though
       
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      Talladium's Tilite is pretty good NP metal. They have several different Tilite alloys depending on the porcelain's CTE. And you can definitely reuse the buttons.
      Very lite oxide too. I like to use porcelain bonder from Vision before opaquing.
       
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      Wirobond 280 with inline and zero problems.... After i raised the first opaque temp. Been using it about 5 years now.
       
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      what the hell are you talking about noble? never heard of that.

      now, you want to talk heavy metal, i'm your robot.

      a little Amon Amarth, a little Napalm Death...
       
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      Evolution Lite 40% gold .. same as Argen Euro.. Either or, depends on my mood. Been using these for 15 years. No problems with any porcelain I've ever used with them.
       
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      are you guys using nobel alloys for the feel good factor because these days i dont see any difference between cocr alloys and precious bonding alloys in results in fact i reckon that the cocr fits better especially on large bridges after a couple of firings.it is now my 1st choice if asked which alloy to use.
       
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      In my situation, its all they want. I cant get them to use any lower gold content.
       
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      Argelite 55 for noble or jenson jp5. We also use tilite for np. Ceramco 3 on it all.
       
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      How are you liking the ARGELITE 55? Any greening issues on the metal?
       
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      Green teeth are popular some places.
       
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      grantoz what np do you use?
       
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      Unfortunately, those places wouldn't accept my work. Is there a green shade guide? Perhaps I can somehow add spinach between the interproximals of a bridge. Hmmm...
       
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      Havent had any problems with it. We degas it for 15 minutes at 1550 Degrees F
       
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      We already have a NP that we use on a few accounts and PFM'S are going down the road too. Most of our work has been Zirconium and I feel by this time next year I will be hanging up the casting torch. We have been using PG80 for 20 plus years and had to switch on time before when it went up to over $1100. But the problem now is gold is way up too. I think ARGELITE 61 may be our choice for a bit until palladium comes back down. Thanks for all the input and jokes.
       
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      and a one and a two and a chicka-booma-chick

       

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