Medit/exocad Pains

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RileyS

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Doesn't sound like exo has made anything easier since you started 2th, still need to hit walls and lose hours to learn.
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2thm8kr

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Doesn't sound like exo has made anything easier since you started 2th, still need to hit walls and lose hours to learn.
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I used different CAD programs before exocad so I was not a novice when I got in the game. I had exocad for a week or so before I got my training and used the exowiki to get familiar with the basic steps and wrote down all the questions I needed answers to. My initial training was great (Thanks Jake!) all my questions at the time were answered. I never had trouble with the basic functions of exocad, I found it quite intuitive compared to the other software I was using at the time, and all of my questions afterward were specific to the problems I needed solutions to, i.e solid titanium abutments from IO scans, models, etc are some of the things I had to figure out. There was nothing back then and most people who knew were not sharing.

Put your big boy lab smock on, buckle down and move forward. Or put your tail between your legs, get your wallet out and got back to the Danes.
In this or life in general I have found there is no going back, only moving forward.
 
RDA

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Riley
Thanks Larry. This is what I need done for all my questions. I did all that but how was I to know that going through crown bottoms and even changing the spacing wouldn't adapt to the new prep????? Did all you exocader's get trained that way or is it just common sense?!?
The other thing I don't understand is why so complex? Does it really help in designing a crown to have to click through so many things? good ol 3shape was just hit the back arrow two or three times, make the change then click the forward arrow two or three times. No turning on a different design mode, right clicking in certain areas for different menus, turning off certain visuals and parts, then knowing to bump the margin a teeny bit for things to reapply.
Sorry, wrong time to complain.
Larry that truly was so helpful and I greatly appreciate it! I really really do.
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RDA

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Riley,
When I first started out with my Medit scanner, Exocad, and Collab, I too was frustrated. My only CAD/CAM experience before this was using an E4D system. They are mostly dumby proof, so learning Exocad was a huge step. I didn't realize, until I knew more of what I was doing in Exocad, that at my original training session they sucked. It sounds like this may be your case too.
I recommend that you change your re-seller support, if you can this early on, adn get re-trained. It may make your life and purchase much less stressful.
 
DAL Claxton

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As a trainer for new into digital techs - It can be very difficult. I've had techs and Dr.'s walk in and say to "just show me how to design an arch" which just boggles the mind, then theirs even when I go step by step.

My training regime to help people.
1) DB - what to enter, and when, shortcut keys to make it faster
2) Scanning in ColLab. What options, what to scan when, how to scan, tips for getting harder areas. ;)
3) SINGLE UNIT. Learn how to place that tooth, get used to the movement in a digital space, learn the tools, tell them to get a feel for it.
4) 3 Unit bridge - learn the placement with extra teeth, if they seem to learn it quickly, you get to see the chain mode tool as well (otherwise it's info overload)

DAY 2 (yeah - you can't learn digital or a new software in 1 day)
1) pop quiz - enter in a single unit case, scan, and design on your own
2) learn the cutbacks
3) design a bridge again (chain mode this time if not 1st),show all the hotkeys again for designing (freeforming hot keys, placement hotkeys, etc)
4) Stress that they cannot immediately do this perfectly, they will get it though
5) show them every step and explain it like analog and how it correlates. This is just like waxing, you're just looking at a screen the whole time, and you don't have to build up the wax for a crown.

If they want "expert" training for expert mode, quick pathways, implants, etc. If they don't pick it up quickly, they have to come back. Learning this stuff isn't easy, but if your trainer equates it to your analog style, then it becomes a lot easier in my mind.

I've had someone tell me they let the software place the tooth in 3Shape hit the "adapt" buttons for everything, then send it on for milling. sure it works, ugliest work imaginable though. Designing with a little effort in 3Shape though can still be good. Same can be true to Exocad. You can "follow the yellow brick road" (wizard) as I call it, keep hitting next, then smash those adapt keys (with pull to contacts set first) - and you're "golden". 💩

That is NOT what Exocad is for though.
 
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So I made it through a design and realized I didn't have enough space. Doc says to reduce prep. so i says to myself i says, "delete merged parts, go to expert and free form scan data." wouldn't let me unless I deleted constructed parts. So Bite the bullet and do it. Now I can virtually reduce the prep. Sadly I have to redesign. So I mill it and find out when I redid crown bottoms it didn't adapt to the newly reduced prep. So i have to remill. I really don't want to have to delete constructed parts so I can try again to virtual reduce prep. any way to keep the design? Also, why didn't it adapt to reduced prep? I can see where it I reduced and I can see how the crown follows the pre-virtual prep when I do a cut view
2th/zero/user hit it spot on.
Riley....man.....this is a TRAINING ISSUE!!!!! find someone to train you properly and forget the piss poor training youve gotten thus far. smh
its great having the group here to spitball ideas and troubleshoot issues...but you need real training 1 on 1 with someone that knows what they are doing.
 
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I think at this point, Riley needs to cut his losses and shop for a used 3Shape and stick with what hes familiar with.
 
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