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Lab talk, the good, the bad, and the ugly
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material costs for various milled items, looking at AG Motion 2
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<blockquote data-quote="TheElusiveSasquatch" data-source="post: 299944" data-attributes="member: 21333"><p>Thanks Chalky and JMN, that’s feedback thats useful. I’m not sure where others are assuming I’m asking how to do technical lab work when I was quite clear in my questions regarding costs involved, I’m not even sure how CEREC tech support costs are relevant to the thread at all. Thanks again Chalky and JMN and DrG. </p><p></p><p>Chalky-</p><p>That’s a great point, I was also wondering about the tool costs and the AG rep was telling me tools for PMMA can last maybe 4 discs. Is that what you are finding as well? I didn’t know if that was accurate but you seem to confirm they do actually eat up burs. If we find accuracy requires models then we will stick to using a lab for it. Night guards aren’t a huge value proposition, it would be a bonus for turn around times. </p><p></p><p>Time to mill isn’t a huge concern, it’s still faster than 2 weeks. It a matter of whether milling is more user friendly to my team than 3D printing. I have successfully printed splints but post processing is time consuming and introduces errors. My mill would have a LOT more downtime than yours so efficiency isn’t as much a factor for a dental office unless we are going for same day treatment. </p><p></p><p>JMN- you’re correct , it’s shifting costs, though I think I can have it pay for itself in 2 years. I’m expecting 4years of service so 5 would be a bonus<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> but the patient gets their work faster with being in-house so I think that’s would be worth it. The plan is to take our existing lab costs , look at new costs if we get the mill, and then take the savings and pay down the equipment quicker. </p><p></p><p>But estimating those costs accurately affects the value proposition, hence this thread<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> just trying to figure out the true costs involved to help determine if it will be worth it for the time savings to the patient. What i don’t want is to get into it and then realize it’s costing a lot more than expected <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TheElusiveSasquatch, post: 299944, member: 21333"] Thanks Chalky and JMN, that’s feedback thats useful. I’m not sure where others are assuming I’m asking how to do technical lab work when I was quite clear in my questions regarding costs involved, I’m not even sure how CEREC tech support costs are relevant to the thread at all. Thanks again Chalky and JMN and DrG. Chalky- That’s a great point, I was also wondering about the tool costs and the AG rep was telling me tools for PMMA can last maybe 4 discs. Is that what you are finding as well? I didn’t know if that was accurate but you seem to confirm they do actually eat up burs. If we find accuracy requires models then we will stick to using a lab for it. Night guards aren’t a huge value proposition, it would be a bonus for turn around times. Time to mill isn’t a huge concern, it’s still faster than 2 weeks. It a matter of whether milling is more user friendly to my team than 3D printing. I have successfully printed splints but post processing is time consuming and introduces errors. My mill would have a LOT more downtime than yours so efficiency isn’t as much a factor for a dental office unless we are going for same day treatment. JMN- you’re correct , it’s shifting costs, though I think I can have it pay for itself in 2 years. I’m expecting 4years of service so 5 would be a bonus:) but the patient gets their work faster with being in-house so I think that’s would be worth it. The plan is to take our existing lab costs , look at new costs if we get the mill, and then take the savings and pay down the equipment quicker. But estimating those costs accurately affects the value proposition, hence this thread:) just trying to figure out the true costs involved to help determine if it will be worth it for the time savings to the patient. What i don’t want is to get into it and then realize it’s costing a lot more than expected :) [/QUOTE]
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