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    looking for 3d-printer for printing models

    Discussion in 'Equipment' started by Jussi Roivanen, May 27, 2016.

    1. Freakin teeth

      Freakin teeth Member Full Member

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      Jean-Michel - can you tell me how this material reacts with investing techniques. With some materials you can get fins, can only rapid fire, etc.
       
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      jean michel thankyou for your input
       
    3. GG - J
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      HEy guys
      We recently began printing models in a formlabs printer from our 3shape
      Models look good
      But main issue is sloppy fit of dies in model
      They are fully seated but a ton of wiggle room
      Any help or thoughts on how to fix this issue ?
       
    4. Bryce Hiller
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      Yeah, buy an Asiga :D
       
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      I would totally forget about a removable die. I chased that forever and was never satisfied. You really don't need it anyways and all it does is introduce inaccuracies. Solids and 2 seperate dies for me on my formlabs.
       
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      Thank you - looks like we will begin with solid models and a spare die on Monday
       
    7. Jason D

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      Lol Asiga models have the same problem it’s the model builder files and those fins on the dies. As mentioned above just do a solid with separate check die. Not a printer problem so much as a software problem.

      If you must do removable dies make sure the dies are very close to the model on the build plate so there are not variances in dimension and with formlabs be sure to clean and change components on schedule, a few extra prints squeezed out before changing a platform is a roll of the dice.
       
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      That's how we scan in our models on 3shape.
       
    9. Jorge

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      What do you think about this?
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    10. Jason D

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      hard to say from a pic but the retentive elements look too short to be much use and dust would be a hassle to keep working properly
       
    11. Jorge

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      We already bought some of them with disposable plastic articulators to test when we receive 3d printer next or follwing week, printer is here in Spain but waiting vendor tech to install.
      I think there will be no dust with printed models.
      Explained here:
       
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      I can not write M A D R I D because Madrid
       
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    13. TheLabGuy

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      You like your Asiga?...you make anything else with it besides Models? What version do you have? Whip Mix been good to you? Did you do a cost analysis to figure out how much each digital model you print cost you?
       
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      Can't rave enough about Asiga. I print models, castables, temporaries, partial frameworks, etc. Works wonderfully. I've got the MAX. WhipMix has outstanding customer support. Anytime I have an issue (which is incredibly rare), I call up @[email protected] and he helps me out right away. I've done cost analysis on models for us, but it really depends on your model building software and and technique.
       
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      I'm guessing you are a 3Shaper?...if not, please continue reading :p As for model building software, exocad has only one, or are you insinuating the adaptors/connectors to place a vertex or orbix on it, care to share the cost analysis.
       
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      It's 3 Sheep
      as in baaaad aaaass!
       
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      Nope, not a 3Shape-er. Currently using Dental Wings. What I mean is it depends on the kind of models you print. I print hollow models, which radically cuts down on the resin/tray usage. Our cost analysis comes out to in between 2-3 bucks per quadrant and 4-5 per full arch. These are rough averages. Actual numbers may vary slightly.
       
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      so I'm trying to decide between the max and the bego varseo (2?) . Bego seems more expensive but the Max looks like it has an open resin tray.
      I know support is paramount,especially for the digitally challenged like me, but the resin cartridge looks cleaner than an open tray. Is that important/
      I think the Whip Mix resins are less expensive than Bego's?
       
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      We'll be switching to new CAD software within a couple months. Right now, it's looking like we'll go with 3Shape because their removable modules seem to be way ahead of Exo, particularly dentures.
       
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      Bego's cartridges were actually one of the reasons I eliminated them from my list. They're very expensive. I use 4-5 different resins, and if I had a Bego, I'd have an additional few thousand bucks wrapped up in cartridges. I've never really had an issue with keeping my Asiga trays clean. Like, not a single issue. Just keep the hood down, and you're fine. The nice thing about Asiga trays is that they're actually a better deal than they sound because they're reversible. There's an RFID on both sides, so with a 1-liter tray, you can actually print 2-liters of resin. Same with 2 liter, 5 liter, etc. WhipMix resins are less expensive, but it's irrelevent. Both printers are open, so you can use whatever resins you want. I think the Bego is a good printer, but I much prefer the Asiga. The cylinder can thingy is a big negative for me. It's a more complicated apparatus, which introduces more room for error.
       
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