GC luster paste vs Zirlux stain & Glaze

[Edward123]

We don't do a lot of FCZ's but the ones we have completed have been Zirlux and finished with eMax stains & glaze. The results haven't been terrible but I think they could be much better. My research keeps leading me to choosing between GC luster paste and Zirlux stain & glaze. I am also planning to experiment with other zirconia materials and would like a dependable, all around stain & glaze kit.
Reviews and opinions appreciated. Thanks much!!!

 

[2thm8kr]

Save your money on the Zirlux stain kit.

 

[Edward123]

Save your money on the Zirlux stain kit.

Would you elaborate please?

 

[2thm8kr]

Would you elaborate please?

Well for one it fires at 1000c.
The C and D shade pastes are not really representative to the Vita shade guide.
Its grainy when applied and its difficult to keep at a usable consistency.

 

[Edward123]

Well for one it fires at 1000c.
The C and D shade pastes are not really representative to the Vita shade guide.
Its grainy when applied and its difficult to keep at a usable consistency.

That doesn't sound too good. Do you use GC luster paste?

 

[2thm8kr]

That doesn't sound too good. Do you use GC luster paste?

Yes, but I also use emax stains and have been thinking about trying the stain kit from Jensen.

 

[rkm rdt]

You can never have enough stains.
We have been using low fusing powder stains with GC and emax paste glazes with excellent results.

Check lines and pit stains are easy to produce with powders and the suspend well in the paste.

 

[NicelyMKV]

I'm really liking the empress stains on my Zr.

 

[ParkwayDental]

We just switched everything over from GC Luster Paste to the Jensen InSync stain and glaze. It is awesome to work with and our techs love it compared to the GC Luster Paste.

 

[user name]

Everything has a learning curve, but I tried the GC kit once and set it aside. I like the InSync.

 

[Gru]

You can never have enough stains.
We have been using low fusing powder stains with GC and emax paste glazes with excellent results.

Check lines and pit stains are easy to produce with powders and the suspend well in the paste.

So true. Multiple firing temps allow layers of stain.
For most things, the InSync stain kit has it covered.
Wish I had the GC also (maybe I just think I could get the esthetics Al gets if I got the right one!)

 

[user name]

Id be happy to sell you mine. Just a couple jars have been opened.

 

[Gru]

user name- pm me or call. maybe we can work something out.

 

[Edward123]

It's beginning to look like InSync FC stain and glaze system is taking the lead. How high are the firing temps? Any other pro's & cons? Cost for kit?
Thanks guys!

 

[Gru]

Fire stain @ 760c, glaze @ 740c. Can't remember what I paid for it. Glaze currently $27 so x16 bottles= $450 more or less. Contact Jensen. Only con: do not mix it with other liquids or water.

 

[sidesh0wb0b]

We just switched everything over from GC Luster Paste to the Jensen InSync stain and glaze. It is awesome to work with and our techs love it compared to the GC Luster Paste.

how do the stains come out with it? ive been tempted to try it

 

[JohnWilson]

Zenostar art module FTW, can use it on everything too

 

[charles007]

Zenostar art module FTW, can use it on everything too

Great, will Wieland/Ivoclar continue to sell it here in the US ? Zenoflex porcelain will soon be history in the US, if not already .. ?

 

[JohnWilson]

Its on the shop online Charles and we love it.

 

[sidesh0wb0b]

man, i wish Jensen would just suck it up and send me a trial kit of their stain and glaze