Fastest way to process a denture or partial? Flask, pour, digital, or something else?

[Lukesell720]

The question remains.

 

[Rtyrelw]

Well fastest and best you're going to compromise something. Personally the fastest way I've found when I needed to rush something was to set it up real quick and then put a putty over it melt out all the wax and then just inject acrylic into that putty. In a pressure pot with the acrylic that I used for 5:00 that will be set and about 15 to 20 minutes to take it out and start working on it. Definitely not the best way but in a pinch it can get the job done.

 

[Lukesell720]

Thanks very much for the advice. That’s a really helpful tip. Yea, I can definitely see a few things that could go wrong with it. But, I like where you’re heads at. I appreciate your time

 

[sidesh0wb0b]

The question remains.

why are you just considering the 'fastest'?

faster does not mean better. and its my belief that it definitely does not mean better in this instance.

 

[Affinity]

Its not the process thats faster, it depends on the user, someone who has set up in wax for their entire career wont be as fast at a digital setup as a young tech that is more accustomed to doing things with a mouse. Each process will result in different times for different techs, and faster is never better IMO.
Case in point, local denture lab just passed the torch to his son, all my accounts are now asking me for dentures because teeth are falling out, bad setups etc. I would assume hes trying to keep up with something his dad was accustomed to, and dropping the ball.. He got the dentures there quicker as a local lab, but failed for the same reason.

 

[bigj1972]

Its not the process thats faster, it depends on the user, someone who has set up in wax for their entire career wont be as fast at a digital setup as a young tech that is more accustomed to doing things with a mouse. Each process will result in different times for different techs, and faster is never better IMO.
Case in point, local denture lab just passed the torch to his son, all my accounts are now asking me for dentures because teeth are falling out, bad setups etc. I would assume hes trying to keep up with something his dad was accustomed to, and dropping the ball.. He got the dentures there quicker as a local lab, but failed for the same reason.

He should make 3d printed dentures. Then the teeth falling out and the bad setups will be normal.

 

[CADGuy]

Really depends on what the application is. Immediate dentures, printed is not a bad way to go and can last a few months without issue. Definitive, you're probably better off with a conventional workflow for durability and longevity. Full digital is coming along nicely, but still not there yet. I personally use a hybrid approach with digital design, milled wax base, conventional teeth, flasking, etc.

 

[sidesh0wb0b]

Really depends on what the application is. Immediate dentures, printed is not a bad way to go and can last a few months without issue. Definitive, you're probably better off with a conventional workflow for durability and longevity. Full digital is coming along nicely, but still not there yet. I personally use a hybrid approach with digital design, milled wax base, conventional teeth, flasking, etc.

youre milling a wax base for denture try ins?
can you please detail why and what materials/mill?

 

[Affinity]

Yes! Cadguy, This is what Ive been formulating.. Scan your mounted models, design your baseplate/rim/wax-try-in all in one go, set up with candulor library teeth in exo, print or mill wax (by making your own pucks) put teeth in the sockets for try-in, adjust base with wax to move teeth if needed, then process in a flask as usual.

 

[CADGuy]

youre milling a wax base for denture try ins?
can you please detail why and what materials/mill?

See the next post for your answer. Affinity hit it on the head. The why is simple...efficiency and accuracy. I don't print my try-ins as my goal is to go to final with the try-in after it's been approved. If you own a Roland mill, you can make your own wax puck for a few dollars and it just gets easier from there.

 

[sidesh0wb0b]

See the next post for your answer. Affinity hit it on the head. The why is simple...efficiency and accuracy. I don't print my try-ins as my goal is to go to final with the try-in after it's been approved. If you own a Roland mill, you can make your own wax puck for a few dollars and it just gets easier from there.

its the time. that's why i asked.
the time involved with milling a full base plate, especially on an upper, is absurd. my mills are far too busy to bog down with a small handful of baseplate mill jobs daily. i could see if you're printing a base plate, or making a LC base plate or something...but milling? the cost of the puck of wax is nothing, the cost of NOT utilizing the mill for a host of other mill jobs during the day is the issue
maybe my lab is structured differently from yours, but the mills are typically busy milling other things all day, and i would need multiple other mills to keep up with the meager amount of baseplates the lab needs to make daily.

 

[bigj1972]

its the time. that's why i asked.
the time involved with milling a full base plate, especially on an upper, is absurd. my mills are far too busy to bog down with a small handful of baseplate mill jobs daily. i could see if you're printing a base plate, or making a LC base plate or something...but milling? the cost of the puck of wax is nothing, the cost of NOT utilizing the mill for a host of other mill jobs during the day is the issue
maybe my lab is structured differently from yours, but the mills are typically busy milling other things all day, and i would need multiple other mills to keep up with the meager amount of baseplates the lab needs to make daily.

Finally somebody said it.

And yeah I could see a cad design setup being faster than an old-fashioned in wax.... But you still have to get it to the actual deliverable product, not drawn on the screen. So take into account the print time, wash and cure time, the glue or paint time.