Exocad New

[Mike2]

Hello all, I had the update for Exocad installed and knew that only FDa libraries could be integrated. That said, I thought my straumann ones were the FDa version and now it says I cannot make models in house?? I went to down load the new ones and I cannot seem to locate, anyone else experience this? I don’t believe they would just stop supporting the software and users in the new release? TIA
Mike

 

[ANoobTech]

I had a conversation with someone from Neodent about a similar issue. Thier response, "So Exocad v3.2 and the Neodent Local library are experiencing compatibility issues. Basically, Exocad rolled out v3.2 and Neodent wasn’t ready for that update." It's really disappointing considering the fact that Exocad 3.2 was announced last year in December. My solution was to take a look at DESS's library to see if they had what I needed, which they did.

 

[Mike2]

DESS would work, but first I would have to be able to choose the Straumann Library to match the digital scans I receive with Straumann Scan bodies? I was also told that my previous version of EXOCAD would still work until the windows updates happen? I have yet to find the old version?

 

[Thibaut]

DESS would work, but first I would have to be able to choose the Straumann Library to match the digital scans I receive with Straumann Scan bodies? I was also told that my previous version of EXOCAD would still work until the windows updates happen? I have yet to find the old version?

Not sure I understand your problem since you talked about making a model. Anyways.

With the recent dess library they have added lots of scanmakers from different companies. So, if your client used a straumann in io impressions and you want to use a dess ti base that's possible, you can also switch back to straumann or any generic that' s using the same platform.
Not sure if you are restricted with a us license but you could just download the eu version library, it could work.
You can also delete FDA related settings in your library. If your reseller allows you to use exo implant editor, not always the case, just delete all the white numbers like in this screenshot.



You'll also find grey numbers, those are child types/subtypes. Always go and delete where the white characters are. Then save.
If having a modified library doesn't allow you to use it you could try putting that variable in your dentalcad settings.xml. I foud it in chariside, not sure it'll work but you can give it a try.
<ImplantLibraryAllowUncertified>true</ImplantLibraryAllowUncertified>

Hope it helps.

 

[Mike2]

Thanks, I understand what you are saying. I am not sure I can edit any of that as I am not that good with computers and editing code. That being said, I still need a solution for milling in house with the straumann variobases. As of today, I cannot locate a straumann library FDA for local milling in house.TIA

 

[a3dl]

we downloaded them all a while back and we are using 3.2build without issue

 

[Mike2]

You downloaded the straumann libraries for local milling variobases? Where did you find the FDA version?

 

[a3dl]

I'm pretty sure we called them and they will teamveiwer in and get you setup

 

[Mike2]

If you look below the one you highlighted, there is a variobase local milling. That is the one I need, the CARES variobase is for their milling? Or is it something else?

 

[Mike2]

I cannot be the only one using straumann variobases. The library they have for local milling is not FDA approved? Am I going nuts or missing something. My reseller told me the new EXO build will only allow FDA library use, which I cannot seem to find for Straumann local milling variobase

 

[JonnyLathe]

I cannot be the only one using straumann variobases. The library they have for local milling is not FDA approved? Am I going nuts or missing something. My reseller told me the new EXO build will only allow FDA library use, which I cannot seem to find for Straumann local milling variobase

Are you talking about 3.2? Because I use non FDA libraries all the time on it. Apparently you need a non FDA version of exocad installed by your reseller from what I know.

 

[GhostFake]

That's one of the reasons we are nervous about the update. We called our reseller last week and made sure we backed up our previous versions and libraries so we can go back to them if need be. With prior versions we were able to get the non FDA version, but this time they are telling us that is not an option, and they can loose their ability to sell Exocad if they give it to us. Last time we got the FDA version we couldn't even download Straumann libraries, and when we would bring in our old ones they didn't work. It's possible I may have done something wrong, but the fact that the libraries weren't even searchable in the Exocad download more libraries popup was very concerning.

 

[erzdaemon]

That's one of the reasons we are nervous about the update. We called our reseller last week and made sure we backed up our previous versions and libraries so we can go back to them if need be. With prior versions we were able to get the non FDA version, but this time they are telling us that is not an option, and they can loose their ability to sell Exocad if they give it to us. Last time we got the FDA version we couldn't even download Straumann libraries, and when we would bring in our old ones they didn't work. It's possible I may have done something wrong, but the fact that the libraries weren't even searchable in the Exocad download more libraries popup was very concerning.

You don't need to Backup ( but you should! ), you can have Exocad installed 3.0, 3.1 and elefsina parallel and use same Database / Import settings and Materials and use whatever Version you prefer ( E.G. i gotta go back to 3.1 to remove Attachments in the older Partialcad Module which sometimes just does not work in 3.2's PartialCad and i can just load the case i created in Elefsina).

We do have a perpetual License with active update contract, not sure if this may not work on Flex licenses, but it should work with at least the Version you started your Flex License with i guess.

Reseller should be able to do a clean install in a new folder, then import settings/db/materials etc.

 

[GhostFake]

You don't need to Backup ( but you should! ), you can have Exocad installed 3.0, 3.1 and elefsina parallel and use same Database / Import settings and Materials and use whatever Version you prefer ( E.G. i gotta go back to 3.1 to remove Attachments in the older Partialcad Module which sometimes just does not work in 3.2's PartialCad and i can just load the case i created in Elefsina).

We do have a perpetual License with active update contract, not sure if this may not work on Flex licenses, but it should work with at least the Version you started your Flex License with i guess.

Reseller should be able to do a clean install in a new folder, then import settings/db/materials etc.

Our reseller just called today and told us Exocad is reworking the installer because it was renaming files and deleting older versions of exocad. So they postponed our update until they know they can install it without messing with our other Exocad version. We have the perpetual license, its just that the last time we installed the FDA version (back with Plovdiv or something) we lost the ability to mill to variobases until we got the generic version.

 

[erzdaemon]

In the decompiled dll's i found with the help of ^Thibaut ( how do i tag people correctly?) there is a Application Setting called "RegulatoryMarketComplianceRequired" < edit: probably the wrong parameter.

If we are able to find out where to set this parameter to false ( probably "DentalDB\config\settings-db.xml" or "DentalCadApp\config\settings.xml" or something around that) you may be fine to use non-FDA Variants.

Check Thibaut's post here if you are interested in setting some of those "hidden" parameters > https://dentallabnetwork.com/forums...exocad-configuration-files.35792/#post-373224

Edit: oh just saw Thibaut alread posted the probably correct Paramter to edit

 

[GhostFake]

Not sure I understand your problem since you talked about making a model. Anyways.

With the recent dess library they have added lots of scanmakers from different companies. So, if your client used a straumann in io impressions and you want to use a dess ti base that's possible, you can also switch back to straumann or any generic that' s using the same platform.
Not sure if you are restricted with a us license but you could just download the eu version library, it could work.
You can also delete FDA related settings in your library. If your reseller allows you to use exo implant editor, not always the case, just delete all the white numbers like in this screenshot.

View attachment 45561

You'll also find grey numbers, those are child types/subtypes. Always go and delete where the white characters are. Then save.
If having a modified library doesn't allow you to use it you could try putting that variable in your dentalcad settings.xml. I foud it in chariside, not sure it'll work but you can give it a try.
<ImplantLibraryAllowUncertified>true</ImplantLibraryAllowUncertified>

Hope it helps.

How do you get to Exo Implant Editor (if it is available)?

 

[Thibaut]

How do you get to Exo Implant Editor (if it is available)?

You can get it directly from exocad's website. They have many stuff in the open, you just need to know the address. I guess they do that so it's not cumbersome for their resellers.

https://download.exocad.com/delivery/exoImplantEditor-2021-11-22-generic-release3.0-dentalcadapp.7z

https://download.exocad.com/delivery/exoImplantEditor-2023-02-23-generic-implantplanningrelease3.1-implantplanning.7z

https://download.exocad.com/delivery/exoImplantEditor-2024-02-01-generic-release3.1-implantplanning.7z

I know they have one for implant planning and the other for dental cad (don't have the link)
Not sure what's the difference. Could be it only works with what you have, implant or cad license.
But like I said, I think some resellers let it active some don't.

So I read a bit more about you guys problems, it seems a bit complicated. Basically you can't use any library that isn't FDA compliant ? Whether brands or generic right ? If so you won't be able to use any mesh that isn't digitally signed.
Not sure they'd be any trick available if it's hard coded in the software. Exocad has to comply with regulatory rules of each country. So yeah don't know what's going to happen in the long run but they'd find themselves in trouble if they let resellers install their software in generic, non fda flavor, not really legal from my understanding.

If you're forced on fda libraries I might have a solution for you. Taking advantage of a bug in 3.1.
It's a bit longer process with a few steps.
If anyone interested I can arrange an anydesk session and try it out.

 

[Richard1953]

I just acquired an AG CeraMill map 400 but it came with no dongle or software all I want to do is scan not to design can I install jut exocad to make the scanner scan impressions and model need help
Im
New to this
Rich

 

[Richard1953]

Hello all, I had the update for Exocad installed and knew that only FDa libraries could be integrated. That said, I thought my straumann ones were the FDa version and now it says I cannot make models in house?? I went to down load the new ones and I cannot seem to locate, anyone else experience this? I don’t believe they would just stop supporting the software and users in the new release? TIA
Mike

Mike maybe you can help me just bought a used AG CeraMill scanner map 400 no software or dongle I just want to scan impressions and models can I just install exocad flex to make the scanner work?
Rich

 

[tehnik]

Mike maybe you can help me just bought a used AG CeraMill scanner map 400 no software or dongle I just want to scan impressions and models can I just install exocad flex to make the scanner work?
Rich

You need to have scan software, exocad does not "make" the scanner to work. Exocad just links scan software to the main user interface if it is supported. Not sure about AG scanners though as they use modified version of exocad. This means you have to buy it.