Emax Multi ingot

[Alistar]

Ivoclar has said that the release of the multi-ingot has been held-up. There are issues with the proper spruing and placement in the ring. That's the word I got from the Ivoclar guys at the Sheraton last Thursday evening. I'm not too worried, we've been getting really nice results with what we're doing now...as is everyone, it seems.

I'm pretty sure I saw Bob Ganley standing around. I should have just asked him about it...

 

[user name]

I for one, dont care if they ever come out with the 'new' ingots. A drawer full of the current ingots and some ceram and empress stains is damn near tooth-tech porn!

 

[Kurt Zubler]

Found out something interesting the other day. If you want the correct program to press the new multi ingot you have to have the EP 3000 or EP 5000. I guess you figure that you will just copy the program off one of your buddies furnaces and input into your zubler etc.......????? Nope.... The screen will go BLACK! During pressing etc. no way to see the pressing parameters..,,

Just what I heard from a pretty good source.

Your source is not really a good source By coincident I'm Mr. Zubler and I confirm that the Zubler Variopress 300e can press the new e.max multi ingot
perfect. We are even pressing e.max ingots twice as fast as Ivoclar and the results are outstanding.

The problem you have is, that you are telling the lab people the multi ingot is coming and only EP3000 or EP 5000 can press it correct -

-But the Multi Ingots are not coming - Ask Ivoclar why?

What a marketing - telling the lab people you need a EP 5000 or an EP 3000to press the new Multi Ingots and when you ask they are not available and they are not coming - Only Ivoclar can play such games with the customers.

Zubler has a Patent for Pressing Lithium Dislicate faster ( total time for a 200gr. Ring pressed in our VP300e from putting the ring on the pressing tray until the oven opens and you can take the ring is 16-17 min. - total time - on a EP5000 it's 32 min.

Now you can see why Zubler's VP300e has no reaction layer and the best possible results in pressing e.max ingots on the press oven market.

I can give you lab's they have the new e.system and ask them what happens with there EP 5000. They are using our oven to press e.max not Ivoclar or others.
Dr. Ed Mc Laren at UCL also have expierience with the VP300e - new version.

Everybody who reads this and has already an VP300 send an email to [email protected] and we can upgrade your oven, even the
oven was bought in 2006.

You can get the Advanced Press Technolgie and you get outstanding results.
Plus we have the Zubler 144 investment (e in Germany) for pressing too.

This is how we support our customers, even your 6 year old oven is
upgratable, because we develope and produce everything in our family owned
company in Ulm, Germany. We have offices in USA, one in TX, one in Atlanta, GA.

When you want to upgrade or test an oven, just send as an email.

 

[NicelyMKV]

Hello Mr Zubler. I'm sure your furnace can press the material. I thought it was interesting Ivoclar was blanking out the screen to hide the program. Once you figure out the parameters I'm sure your oven will have no problems. My source was Ivoclar as far as the programs not showing during pressing.

 

[subrisi]

Hey Mr. Zubler.
Since you post double, I do too.
I went through HELL!!!!! using the Zubler to press emax. I had two weeks of failures, spent nights in the lab pressed the same thing over and over and over. Had Terry Mc Quisten"s phone number on speed dial. He even helped me from his dinner table with no results. You should have gotten a whole box full of miss presses from me. We ended up using timed presses and eliminated the sensor press because it just dindn't work. This Oven will never get through my door ever again.
I had a melt down at the end of this ordeal and had to blow several due dates.
I do not believe in Zubler. Also the cooling fan that runs constantly is absolute annoying when you have to sit next to it all day. The programing and handling is complicated because it has a mininal amount of buttons. It might be cool on a Bang and Olufson stereo, but it is annoying on a furnace when dials and buttons have multiple purposes. The Ivoclar overn is straigh out easy to use and I never had a problem with it.
Sorry, had to get this off my chest.

 

[user name]

Hey Mr. Zubler.
Since you post double, I do too.
I went through HELL!!!!! using the Zubler to press emax. I had two weeks of failures, spent nights in the lab pressed the same thing over and over and over. Had Terry Mc Quisten"s phone number on speed dial. He even helped me from his dinner table with no results. You should have gotten a whole box full of miss presses from me. We ended up using timed presses and eliminated the sensor press because it just dindn't work. This Oven will never get through my door ever again.
I had a melt down at the end of this ordeal and had to blow several due dates.
I do not believe in Zubler. Also the cooling fan that runs constantly is absolute annoying when you have to sit next to it all day. The programing and handling is complicated because it has a mininal amount of buttons. It might be cool on a Bang and Olufson stereo, but it is annoying on a furnace when dials and buttons have multiple purposes. The Ivoclar overn is straigh out easy to use and I never had a problem with it.
Sorry, had to get this off my chest.

Thats a bummer you had tough times. I wish we could have been in contact the first time you used yours. I had to tweek my programs two or three times to get it perfect, but the furnace is so simple to use and program, once you enter your parameters and use the iPress function, it thinks for itself. Not everyone is going to like the same things or there would only be one model of car I guess.

 

[Zubler USA]

Hey Mr. Zubler.
Since you post double, I do too.
I went through HELL!!!!! using the Zubler to press emax. I had two weeks of failures, spent nights in the lab pressed the same thing over and over and over. Had Terry Mc Quisten"s phone number on speed dial. He even helped me from his dinner table with no results. You should have gotten a whole box full of miss presses from me. We ended up using timed presses and eliminated the sensor press because it just dindn't work. This Oven will never get through my door ever again.
I had a melt down at the end of this ordeal and had to blow several due dates.
I do not believe in Zubler. Also the cooling fan that runs constantly is absolute annoying when you have to sit next to it all day. The programing and handling is complicated because it has a mininal amount of buttons. It might be cool on a Bang and Olufson stereo, but it is annoying on a furnace when dials and buttons have multiple purposes. The Ivoclar overn is straigh out easy to use and I never had a problem with it.
Sorry, had to get this off my chest.

Subrisi, Terry is a good technician and I am dissapointed that the issue never seem to be resolved. Do you still have the oven? If so, I would like to help.

 

[user name]

Subrisi, Terry is a good technician and I am dissapointed that the issue never seem to be resolved. Do you still have the oven? If so, I would like to help.

Kurts been doing a couple posts here. Is this Chris?

 

[Kurt Zubler]

Hey Mr. Zubler.
Since you post double, I do too.
I went through HELL!!!!! using the Zubler to press emax. I had two weeks of failures, spent nights in the lab pressed the same thing over and over and over. Had Terry Mc Quisten"s phone number on speed dial. He even helped me from his dinner table with no results. You should have gotten a whole box full of miss presses from me. We ended up using timed presses and eliminated the sensor press because it just dindn't work. This Oven will never get through my door ever again.
I had a melt down at the end of this ordeal and had to blow several due dates.
I do not believe in Zubler. Also the cooling fan that runs constantly is absolute annoying when you have to sit next to it all day. The programing and handling is complicated because it has a mininal amount of buttons. It might be cool on a Bang and Olufson stereo, but it is annoying on a furnace when dials and buttons have multiple purposes. The Ivoclar overn is straigh out easy to use and I never had a problem with it.
Sorry, had to get this off my chest.

I feel sorry to hear that. When did it happen? - But ZublerUSA did not get a chance to solve your problems and talk to your lab.

We are trying since years to contact our oven-clients in USA to update and upgrate the VP300 ovens, but Jensen never gave us the labs they sold an VP300.
Just that you know we do have an upgrade that the oven fan is very quiet.

It's true that in the ovens up to 2007/2008 the fan was to noisy. This is solved since years, but we never got notice about your problem.
Jensen could solve it easy with the silencer update, done in one minute.

In point of pressing when those strange things happens and we hear that, we take care by ourselve and solve.
This is why we are back on the market by ourselve now to upgrade and support all the ovens with the newest software.

You could get an easy upgrade for the VP300e even in mid 2010 but Jensen our Importer did not make it happen that we can contact our users.

Zubler terminated the contract with Jensen and now you know why Zubler is back in USA with an office in TX and GA.

Did you sell the oven or you still have the oven. If you sold the oven maybe we can help the buyer and upgrade the oven and if you stll have it we upgrade the oven without any costs or you.

If not, never ever say no to use a Zubler VP300e. We have labs with 3 and more pressing furnaces. With the new upgrade - The results just not to beat. I'm not choking.

Still I feel sorry for what happend.

Here is my email adress, please contact me what happens with the oven.

[email protected]


About multi Ingots it's not a FDA thing. Ask Ivoclar. Don't wait for the Multi Ingots. In Germany they are saying they are not coming.

Move forward with the existing e.max ingots - they are perfect and if you use Zubler 144 investment you get excellent results for a much better price. You get a case for free to press e.max.

Okay, I hope my answer helps you a little bit and Zubler is for sure a reliable Partner when he has a chance to help.

Kurt Zubler

 

[GoldRunner]

So how about posting your parameters so I can program my Ivoclar with the "better" press cycle?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Zubler USA]

So how about posting your parameters so I can program my Ivoclar with the "better" press cycle?

Thanks in advance.

They are not just simple parmeters that can be programmed into any oven. There is a special software and program set that was specially designed for our ovens. If you want the "Advanced Press" you will have to buy one of our ovens. Sorry..

 

[rkm rdt]

What does your oven cost?

 

[user name]

Ill chime in...again. I dont have the 'e' up grade. Im using for a 100gm:

start-700c
heat rate-60
final-922
hold-15min.
max press 10:00min
pressure-low
vac-722mm

Very little reaction layer and perfect presses. Vario 300, constant use since '07, never an issue.

 

[Shaun Keating]

Kurt,

It was great seeing you at my lab. Your press, and investment is the bomb! We are getting better results than we ever have. Thanks for everything

 

[Zubler USA]

What does your oven cost?

$7990.00 includes Pump.

 

[BobCDT]

Your source is not really a good source By coincident I'm Mr. Zubler and I confirm that the Zubler Variopress 300e can press the new e.max multi ingot
perfect. We are even pressing e.max ingots twice as fast as Ivoclar and the results are outstanding.

The problem you have is, that you are telling the lab people the multi ingot is coming and only EP3000 or EP 5000 can press it correct -

-But the Multi Ingots are not coming - Ask Ivoclar why?

What a marketing - telling the lab people you need a EP 5000 or an EP 3000to press the new Multi Ingots and when you ask they are not available and they are not coming - Only Ivoclar can play such games with the customers.

Zubler has a Patent for Pressing Lithium Dislicate faster ( total time for a 200gr. Ring pressed in our VP300e from putting the ring on the pressing tray until the oven opens and you can take the ring is 16-17 min. - total time - on a EP5000 it's 32 min.

Now you can see why Zubler's VP300e has no reaction layer and the best possible results in pressing e.max ingots on the press oven market.

I can give you lab's they have the new e.system and ask them what happens with there EP 5000. They are using our oven to press e.max not Ivoclar or others.
Dr. Ed Mc Laren at UCL also have expierience with the VP300e - new version.

Everybody who reads this and has already an VP300 send an email to [email protected] and we can upgrade your oven, even the
oven was bought in 2006.

You can get the Advanced Press Technolgie and you get outstanding results.
Plus we have the Zubler 144 investment (e in Germany) for pressing too.

This is how we support our customers, even your 6 year old oven is
upgratable, because we develope and produce everything in our family owned
company in Ulm, Germany. We have offices in USA, one in TX, one in Atlanta, GA.

When you want to upgrade or test an oven, just send as an email.

Hi Kurt,
So glad to find you here. I have several presses and we use them all day long. I do have a coule of Zubler porcelain ovens as well as a Zubler press and the press has been the most dependable consistant press we have. Not exactly sure how many press cycles we have on it. I would guess its about 7500 rings. We have never had a problem with it. Except, i think (not 100% sure) we did replace a fuse once. It's truely been a work horse. In fact, it even still looks new.
Funny thing about the multi ingot. Ivoclar was showing it at IDS Feb. 2011. Kurt, what's the scoop? Is it ever coming to market?
All of You on DLN, listen to Kurt he has it down when it comes to designing and manufacturing high quality consant furnaces that are built to last. You will not go wrong buying a Zubler!!!
I think I'll get in touch with you for the upgrade.
Last question Kurt, have you considered building a sintering furnace?
Bob

 

[Zubler USA]

Bob,

I will be glad to help with the upgrades. email me at [email protected].

Regards,
Chris

 

[subrisi]

Hi Kurt
This was in 2008. I no longer work in that lab and the oven was taken from the bankruptcy court. Have no idea what happened to it.

 

[user name]

Its kind of funny how we pick teams. Theres more than one really good press/furnace out there. If I had bought a different brand and it worked good, Id be singin' there praises. Im very happy with my Zublers. How cool would that be if YOUR name was a brand. Thanks Mr. Zubler. If I had one of your central vacs, Id be telling everyone how good that is to. Maybe I should be testing one for you, eh?

 

[DMC]

I need Zubler Central Vac!!!

BIG ONE.

I saw one in Kuwata-Pan Dent in NJ and I loved it!

Lab was so clean and quite and minimum maintance required.

I would gain so much space by moving Twenty little POS vacuums on ebay?

Zubler family needs their own place on here....and they need to become vendors! LOL