Can my sintering furnace be used for stain and glaze?

[all-in-dental]

New to Zirconia, just bought a mill, and furnace (mihm vogt HT-S 2) and am wondering if this can also be used for firing glaze & stains? I was under the assumption that it was and that I wouldn't need any more equipment past these tools and a few smaller pieces.

I am planning on using (per recommendations here and by another lab owner) InSync Glaze & stains from Jensen, but maybe there is something more compatible with my equipment?

I would also love any tips on how you characterize your restorations, and any other equipment recommendations you would make. (Lab equipment I have: VHF K5+, Sandblaster & respective vacuums for both, the HT-S 2, A suction hood for zirconia work (still need a good cheap vacuum recommendation),SprintRay Pro 55S, SprintRay wash and cure units, and a handpiece/motor)

If there are specific burs, brushes, tools, etc. you'd like to recommend, I am here for it all. Give me your favorites.

 

[Car 54]

IMO, no way, it's not made for that. Get a cheaper porcelain oven that was made for that purpose. Something if needed, like for a porc. add on, you can use with vacuum. Those elements aren't meant for quick and short low temp firing cycles. They can be $500.00 - 680.00+ per element. You do not want to be burning those out and replacing them prematurely.

 

[JonnyLathe]

You need a porcelain oven with a vacuum pump.

Miyo by jensen is another great system for characterizing zirconia, they have a brush kit that works really well.

Are you by chance a doc/in-house lab?

 

[MasterCeramist]

How can someone invest in all that equipment and not know what is needed for simple stain and glaze ?

 

[JonnyLathe]

How can someone invest in all that equipment and not know what is needed for simple stain and glaze ?

I'm guessing they're a doc who wants to bring their zirconia manufacturing in house but hasn't had experience with it before.

 

[TheLabGuy]

How can someone invest in all that equipment and not know what is needed for simple stain and glaze ?

More money than brains

 

[Denture Dude]

I'm guessing they're a doc who wants to bring their zirconia manufacturing in house but hasn't had experience with it before.

I'm guessing they're a doc who wants to bring their zirconia manufacturing in house but hasn't had experience with it before.

And doesn’t want to pay someone who does know.

 

[grantoz]

people how many times do i have to say it, ask questions before giving answers them dentists are sneaky you know they will try and trick us into giving away our knowledge for free. we should be charging for this info

 

[Car 54]

people how many times do i have to say it, ask questions before giving answers them dentists are sneaky you know they will try and trick us into giving away our knowledge for free. we should be charging for this info

You just need to show up sooner and nip it in the bud

At least we didn't mention that the absolute best stain and glaze system for zirconia (a favorite they asked for) is Will-Ceram dry powder stains mixed with OPC 3G glaze powder using Pentron's glaze medium. But, we just won't give up our stain combinations.

Or that if @all-in-dental buys a front loading Nabertherm sinter furnace, the problem is solved for staining and glazing zirconia crowns Just kidding all in dental, buy a designated porc. oven.

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[FASTFNGR]

New to Zirconia, just bought a mill, and furnace (mihm vogt HT-S 2) and am wondering if this can also be used for firing glaze & stains? I was under the assumption that it was and that I wouldn't need any more equipment past these tools and a few smaller pieces.

I am planning on using (per recommendations here and by another lab owner) InSync Glaze & stains from Jensen, but maybe there is something more compatible with my equipment?

I would also love any tips on how you characterize your restorations, and any other equipment recommendations you would make. (Lab equipment I have: VHF K5+, Sandblaster & respective vacuums for both, the HT-S 2, A suction hood for zirconia work (still need a good cheap vacuum recommendation),SprintRay Pro 55S, SprintRay wash and cure units, and a handpiece/motor)

If there are specific burs, brushes, tools, etc. you'd like to recommend, I am here for it all. Give me your favorites.

No you can not, you can get a $700 new small oven for glazing and not all need vacuum to glaze.

 

[grantoz]

You just need to show up sooner and nip it in the bud

At least we didn't mention that the absolute best stain and glaze system for zirconia (a favorite they asked for) is Will-Ceram dry powder stains mixed with OPC 3G glaze powder using Pentron's glaze medium. But, we just won't give up our stain combinations.

Or that if @all-in-dental buys a front loading Nabertherm sinter furnace, the problem is solved for staining and glazing zirconia crowns Just kidding all in dental, buy a designated porc. oven.

Sintering Furnaces | Nabertherm

Zirconia Sintering Furnaces Sintering furnaces for zirconium oxide - open system for all common blanks from leading manufacturers, from non-translucent to translucent zirconium.

nabertherm.com

especially if you can get hold of the beryllium enriched red stains because the uranium ones were dangerous .if you want my pentron kit i still have it forsale luckily you know how good it is and how much it is worth. one of my techs still uses the pentron pressing furnace he just loves it.

 

[grantoz]

No you can not, you can get a $700 new small oven for glazing and not all need vacuum to glaze.

thanks for your input these tips really help

 

[Car 54]

especially if you can get hold of the beryllium enriched red stains because the uranium ones were dangerous .if you want my pentron kit i still have it forsale luckily you know how good it is and how much it is worth. one of my techs still uses the pentron pressing furnace he just loves it.

Yep, I had one of those too, The Pentron Plus oven. My dad had a couple as well They came with that 3lb? black cooling brick, LOL

 

[grantoz]

yep it creaks and groans but still works. thats the kiss of death right there

 

[charles007]

Retired and bored, thought I would see how my old friends are doing on DLN tonight and i see questions haven't changed on here.

 

[Car 54]

Retired and bored, thought I would see how my old friends are doing on DLN tonight and i see questions haven't changed on here.

Charles, how are you doing, buddy? I still owe you big time for all of the forum support and PM encouragements in getting me going with digital (especially a mill). Now, just don't ask for your IOU back in cash $$$ LOL

 

[desertfox384]

Charles ! I wondered where you’ve been

 

[RileyS]

Hey Charles! I just brought out the old Jelenko JelFire oven you pretty much gave me 12 years ago to help me start my lab!
I just plugged it in today. It gave me some prompt to enter a code…you still have the manual?

 

[Zona]

You can ..you dont need vacum for glaze ..but be ready to drop money on nev heating elements every month bcz wapor and burnout from glaze liquid gonna end them

 

[Doris A]

As usual, he posted the question Wednesday and hasn't been back to see any answers.