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Lab talk, the good, the bad, and the ugly
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At CrossRoads to buy which brand of CAD/CAM
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<blockquote data-quote="JayH" data-source="post: 21449" data-attributes="member: 1244"><p>I just read through this and had a couple of things jump out at me. Forgive the randomness of my thoughts:</p><p></p><p>I don't think you need to know the difference between a stepper motor and an encoder in order to own a milling machine. I believe most of the major players offer service agreements that will put you out cost in parts when the machines break down. Generally, you get what you pay for - if you buy a lava machine or an imes machine they're pretty robust/industrial. Depending on the number of units you're looking at, you might even get by for a year or two with no mechanical issues on some of the smaller units like the M4D or the new AG CeraMill.</p><p></p><p>I would also take another look at the amount of time you think it takes to wax up a coping, or even a full contour crown by hand compared to digitally. The digital process takes more time than most seem to portray it. Place the die in the scanner, define the case, execute the scan process, design (requires dental IQ,) export to output device, queue up stock, let machining finish. One single coping can take 15-20 minutes. By hand? I've worked with some guys that would crank out full contour units by hand in 10-15 minutes per unit.</p><p></p><p>Zirconia restorations are not indicated for all preps. I managed the largest lava milling center on the planet for a couple of years and ended up with a PFM in the posterior in my own mouth during that time. The associated lab still did 50% or more of its work in PFM's.</p><p></p><p>The HT, HS, and FC material is decent stuff. It cuts nice, looks nice but it's only been in use for two-three years. I'm interested in seeing what happens after five or so in-vivo.</p><p></p><p>If you buy a milling tool (machine,) look to the future. Will you only be cutting Zr forever? Dry is fine. But if you want to take full advantage of CAD/CAM/CNC and the materials that this technology makes available to your use then look to a five axis wet mill for implant abutments and bars. I've been told by more than one person who knows the industry way better than I do that Implants are the future...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JayH, post: 21449, member: 1244"] I just read through this and had a couple of things jump out at me. Forgive the randomness of my thoughts: I don't think you need to know the difference between a stepper motor and an encoder in order to own a milling machine. I believe most of the major players offer service agreements that will put you out cost in parts when the machines break down. Generally, you get what you pay for - if you buy a lava machine or an imes machine they're pretty robust/industrial. Depending on the number of units you're looking at, you might even get by for a year or two with no mechanical issues on some of the smaller units like the M4D or the new AG CeraMill. I would also take another look at the amount of time you think it takes to wax up a coping, or even a full contour crown by hand compared to digitally. The digital process takes more time than most seem to portray it. Place the die in the scanner, define the case, execute the scan process, design (requires dental IQ,) export to output device, queue up stock, let machining finish. One single coping can take 15-20 minutes. By hand? I've worked with some guys that would crank out full contour units by hand in 10-15 minutes per unit. Zirconia restorations are not indicated for all preps. I managed the largest lava milling center on the planet for a couple of years and ended up with a PFM in the posterior in my own mouth during that time. The associated lab still did 50% or more of its work in PFM's. The HT, HS, and FC material is decent stuff. It cuts nice, looks nice but it's only been in use for two-three years. I'm interested in seeing what happens after five or so in-vivo. If you buy a milling tool (machine,) look to the future. Will you only be cutting Zr forever? Dry is fine. But if you want to take full advantage of CAD/CAM/CNC and the materials that this technology makes available to your use then look to a five axis wet mill for implant abutments and bars. I've been told by more than one person who knows the industry way better than I do that Implants are the future... [/QUOTE]
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