Another new LDS…?

[ps2thtec]

Saw this in latest lmt, sagemax has a new PressCeramic.

 

[zero_zero]

Not sure if memory serves me right, but wasn't Ivoclar who bought out Sagemax not too long ago ?

 

[Car 54]

Not sure if memory serves me right, but wasn't Ivoclar who bought out Sagemax not too long ago ?

Yes, to be able to offer a more competitive product price-wise compared to their, Ivoclar's zirconia lineup, especially as far as Prime$$
I also believe Sagemax is sold through other vendors, and not directly through Ivoclar.

 

[Doris A]

Sagemax | Ivoclar US

Sagemax is one of the world’s leading dental manufacturers and suppliers of zirconia. Founded in 2006, the company is a rapidly growing provider of aesthetic zirconia products for leading dental CAD / CAM systems. The development of materials and production takes place in Federal Way...

www.ivoclar.com

 

[Car 54]

Sagemax | Ivoclar US

Sagemax is one of the world’s leading dental manufacturers and suppliers of zirconia. Founded in 2006, the company is a rapidly growing provider of aesthetic zirconia products for leading dental CAD / CAM systems. The development of materials and production takes place in Federal Way...

www.ivoclar.com

Thank you for that link, Doris, as I could have sworn my rep said it was only sold through other vendors.

 

[Doris A]

Thank you for that link, Doris, as I could have sworn my rep said it was only sold through other vendors.

Funny you should use a JMM video. He was hurt in a bus crash the other day.

John Michael Montgomery's Son, Walker, Gives an Update on His Dad After Tour Bus Crash

Walker considers the family lucky.

tasteofcountry.com

 

[Car 54]

I may be curious as far as the opal ingots.

PressCeramic

PressCeramic High strength LS2. All translucencies. PressCeramic are lithium disilicate glass-ceramic ingots for the fabrication of highly esthetic all-ceramic restorations using the traditional press technique. The high flexural strength (470 MPa, typical mean value) enables a wide range of ind ...

sagemax.com

 

[Toothman19]

I'm looking forward to when I can print lithium disilicate. It's coming soon

 

[Car 54]

I'm looking forward to when I can print lithium disilicate. It's coming soon

...to a theater near you. At first, I laughed at that, but then realized it is the way things are heading. No more Platinium foil jackets, I'm getting tired of doing these

 

[CoolHandLuke]

I'm looking forward to when I can print lithium disilicate. It's coming soon

 

[Toothman19]

View attachment 41490

Lots of testing currently going on

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/354947654_3D_Printed_Lithium_Disilicate_-_Preliminary_Clinical_Experience

 

[doug]

Design it in Exocad, send it to my LiSi printer? Nope, we don't do enough of it to justify the expense.

 

[CoolHandLuke]

Lots of testing currently going on

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/354947654_3D_Printed_Lithium_Disilicate_-_Preliminary_Clinical_Experience

Ceramic Materials

Materials for high-performance ceramic 3D printing.

lithoz.com

currently only Zirc is offered or officially supported, however if you go to the Industry material you can see Alumina. IF (big if) they have used Alumina in that paper instead of Li Si clone, they'll conclude the study pretty quickly.

 

[Toothman19]

Ceramic Materials

Materials for high-performance ceramic 3D printing.

lithoz.com

currently only Zirc is offered or officially supported, however if you go to the Industry material you can see Alumina. IF (big if) they have used Alumina in that paper instead of Li Si clone, they'll conclude the study pretty quickly.

I believe they have for lisi is just hasn't been peer reviewed yet. I'll try to find it

 

[Toothman19]

11:25 mark. I don't know how esthetic it looks yet or if it's cost effective yet...

 

[CoolHandLuke]

rewind to 5:26

this is a printing process that has been done in zirconia for a long time without wide adoption - for very good reason. its result is sh1t.

the zirc grains that have to grow and fuse to neighboring grains don't have good success because of the packing desnity of the grains. in pucks the material is compacted so well that the grains have no choice but to fuse during sinter, with "debrided" or burnt-out loosely printed grains theres easily areas that are not a strong enough bond, or to put it another way you can successfuly print, but come to find out a massive area of debridement has printed you a massive crack or gap; their strength test reports in the 10 minute mark show this very well. you lose easily half the strength of the zirconia printing this way, while still getting to "99.8% Theoretical density" which is misinformation at worst, misleading at best. when ALL the grains grow to crystals, you acheive theoretical density. 99.8% theoretical density does not infer its practically the same zirconia as comes from discs.

same bs that's been spewed by printer companies targeting dental or ceramics for ages.

its a dozen companies out there easily, selling slurry or even filament ceramic printing.
https://group-rs.com/en/prodotto/kuaiprint-zirconia-3d-printer/
https://3dceram.com/ceramique/zirconia/
even HS is trying to push it https://lmtmag.com/seminars/next-level-innovation-3d-printed-zirconia
https://www.prodways.com/en/material/plastcure-zirconia/
https://formlabs.com/materials/ceramics/

https://www.eazao.com/

and many more, this is just page 1 google.

every single one of these links is a ****ty old slurry or FILAMENT process that makes a sinterable part that has to be burnt out first, and which crumbles or breaks easily, or simply doesn't look good enugh to be useful as a dental product.

i always slag dental techs for being slow adopters, but when it comes to zirconia even the most cutting edge lab knows to stay the heck away from this bunk.

 

[Toothman19]

Oh I'm not even close to touching it, I was just trying to point out the process has started

 

[Contraluz]

I may be curious as far as the opal ingots.

Ivoclar is selling these already. These were part of the original value ingots, which became the MT line up.

In case you are interested, I did an article about the value/opal ingots, a while ago:

 

[Car 54]

Ivoclar is selling these already. These were part of the original value ingots, which became the MT line up.

In case you are interested, I did an article about the value/opal ingots, a while ago:

That's right, I forgot about that. And back to the Opals, I still have quite a bit of the Empress Esthetic ingots, as well as the layering porcelain sitting around collecting dust. I should probably list those on the forum.