3D Denture Resins Bases and Teeth?

We print Rodin Denture Base 2.0 with Rodin Titan teeth on our asiga max. It makes a nice denture and the new base material from pacdent is quite strong.
 
How long have you been using the Rodin material? Any complaints?
 
We use Lucitone print resin and Lucitone IPN resin in Asiga Max and the Dentsply prime print. It seems to be working out. The fit is really good. Some issues with misprints with the Asiga at first. Prime print system has bugs to fix yet. Some issues with discolouration of the bases. (Needs strict cleaning protocols). Seems to be durable. I did have a breakage in one a few weeks ago but I don’t consider them to be fragile at all. Time will tell.
Can the lucitone be post cured in the Otoflash? Or do you need a specialised curing unit? Thanks!
 
Can the lucitone be post cured in the Otoflash? Or do you need a specialised curing unit? Thanks!
The otoflash will not cure the lucitone digital materials. It requires a Dentsply unit.
 
How long have you been using the Rodin material? Any complaints?
Not so far. You have to baby it a bit but other than that I love it. I've used Rodin Sculpture and Denture Base for about a year. I just switched to Rodin Titan and Denture Base 2.0 and it's similar but stronger.
 
We print Rodin Denture Base 2.0 with Rodin Titan teeth on our asiga max. It makes a nice denture and the new base material from pacdent is quite strong.
What unit do you use to post cure?
 
The otoflash will not cure the lucitone digital materials. It requires a Dentsply unit.
What's more annoying is that the new curing units they sell are actually a lot worse than the old ones, I think it's because they had to switch to LED UV curing because some part of the original controller was no longer manufactured so they couldn't drive the mercury vapor lamps that simultaneously cure and heat the part in the original design; I might be misremembering what the actual unavailable part was, but regardless, the end result is curing takes significantly longer. We've got one of the old units and are gonna keep it running until we can't get spare parts for it any more.
 
The primeprint uses material cartridges and it automatically dispenses the correct amount of material for the print job into the resin tray and vacuums up excess back into the cartridge internally . It cannot do this with lucitone for some reason. It confuses itself with the amount and aborts the process. This is why I feel that the material is too viscous for this to happen. These are not hobby printers that a knowledgeable person would “tinker with “
It also has its own nesting software that automatically positions the items for the most ideal printing and draining. Keep in mind that it prints and washes the items without being touched.
We do print the lucitone with the Asiga but because of the discolouration issue, we had hoped that the primeprint with it’s more automated design would solve that issue.
Hello so I’ve got a primeprint also . I’ve been having the same issues with it not printing my denture bases . I’ve been able to print some successful but not at a good rate like 40% of the time they will come out . So did they ever give you another primeprint and have you been getting more successful results ?
 
Hello so I’ve got a primeprint also . I’ve been having the same issues with it not printing my denture bases . I’ve been able to print some successful but not at a good rate like 40% of the time they will come out . So did they ever give you another primeprint and have you been getting more successful results ?
The second primeprint had the same problem and it went back also. They have not sent a 3rd one.
 
Hey guys ive read alot on here about current and old materials, the past events I have seen decent strides in digital dentures and I was wondering what everyone uses for resins and printers? We were thinking the Lucitone and a UV max and Ultra from asiga to print our own teeth and bases, I have also hear horror stories of both from people on here, is anyone successfully printing 3d dentures if so what system and resin? Thanks!
If you want to pay $899 per quart from dentsply and more for ipn printed teeth plus $14k for a printer to print a cheap denture, go ahead. That is all I am going to say.
 
We have been printing a decent amount of them. We use the Dentsply printed bases and use the flexcera teeth fused. I will agree that they need some post processing work to make them look good. We customize them with vita axcent to get them looking nice before sending out door
 
For a first printer I'd always recommend a Phrozen or similar LCD printer, literally 1/10th the price with 95% of the capability. Put the money you'd spend on an Asiga towards the post-processing stuff you'll need, like an Otoflash with a nitrogen bottle rental. An asiga max is a capable little workhorse, to be sure, but there's a good chance you can print the resins you want in a far less... dentistry-price-inflated machine. I'm actually not sure for denture resins, but i know nanoceramic resins like Rodin Sculpture/Titan are verified for the Phrozen line, so I'd expect less technically-challenging resins to also be verified.

"validated" and effectively printing are 2 very different things. constant miss-prints will eat a $1000 bottle of resin in a second.
i can have our Elegoo S3U validated in a heartbeat.. but if i do, i will instantly become "tech support" for everyone that can't program a profile

if you didn't know, we have been working on the development and testing side with Pac-dent materials for over two-three years now.
we are not sales or a KOL, we support and "elevate" the products we use and have faith in. the Rodin Palette Manual will be released at the GNY Dental meeting, but if you have purchased the kit, let me know... the Palette Course will also be offered with Kit purchase and some serious resin packages as well

we have been instrumental in getting IFU's changed to preserve ceramic surfaces for the Rodin line and BEGO products as well. we have gotten a development "grant" and expect to get many more.

we burn buckets of resin in testing. we have conducted material strength and bonding testes at UAB with OIL preservation being "key".
we are currently working with a company to test the several aspects of nitrogen curing and the added value. im willing to bet that we find sealing the OIL at the end of the cycle adds considerable strength to the print.

if you are a small lab, you don't need post-processing equipment. at all.

i would recommend a mid-line printer if funds are an issue... Ackuretta, Shining 3-D... if you are able to run in the 10-12K range there are 2 things to consider.

there is one "bad ass" printer on the way for Dental Applications that will save a small lab thousand in additional equipment and "processes. this printer should be considered mandatory on the equipment list... i expect to see it in December, hopefully for the GNY.

the "need" for expensive nitrogen cure units is about to change...
there are several low-cost solutions on the way... save your money for the printer and stay tuned

we will be posting/publishing everything we know "in depth" in December as well.

Pac-dent just add 2 Chemists and a "bench tech" to their already talented team.. Kim and i will be heading down there by the end of the month and i expect to bring back additional, valuable information..

we will open up all of this information on our website around January
 
"validated" and effectively printing are 2 very different things. constant miss-prints will eat a $1000 bottle of resin in a second.
i can have our Elegoo S3U validated in a heartbeat.. but if i do, i will instantly become "tech support" for everyone that can't program a profile

if you didn't know, we have been working on the development and testing side with Pac-dent materials for over two-three years now.
we are not sales or a KOL, we support and "elevate" the products we use and have faith in. the Rodin Palette Manual will be released at the GNY Dental meeting, but if you have purchased the kit, let me know... the Palette Course will also be offered with Kit purchase and some serious resin packages as well

we have been instrumental in getting IFU's changed to preserve ceramic surfaces for the Rodin line and BEGO products as well. we have gotten a development "grant" and expect to get many more.

we burn buckets of resin in testing. we have conducted material strength and bonding testes at UAB with OIL preservation being "key".
we are currently working with a company to test the several aspects of nitrogen curing and the added value. im willing to bet that we find sealing the OIL at the end of the cycle adds considerable strength to the print.

if you are a small lab, you don't need post-processing equipment. at all.

i would recommend a mid-line printer if funds are an issue... Ackuretta, Shining 3-D... if you are able to run in the 10-12K range there are 2 things to consider.

there is one "bad ass" printer on the way for Dental Applications that will save a small lab thousand in additional equipment and "processes. this printer should be considered mandatory on the equipment list... i expect to see it in December, hopefully for the GNY.

the "need" for expensive nitrogen cure units is about to change...
there are several low-cost solutions on the way... save your money for the printer and stay tuned

we will be posting/publishing everything we know "in depth" in December as well.

Pac-dent just add 2 Chemists and a "bench tech" to their already talented team.. Kim and i will be heading down there by the end of the month and i expect to bring back additional, valuable information..

we will open up all of this information on our website around January
Hi Andrew, December is here... Do you have any further info on that "bad ass" printer?
 

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