3D Denture Resins Bases and Teeth?

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Hey guys ive read alot on here about current and old materials, the past events I have seen decent strides in digital dentures and I was wondering what everyone uses for resins and printers? We were thinking the Lucitone and a UV max and Ultra from asiga to print our own teeth and bases, I have also hear horror stories of both from people on here, is anyone successfully printing 3d dentures if so what system and resin? Thanks!
 
We use Lucitone Base and dentca teeth, printed on our Carbons and (for the teeth) our Max.
I've heard very little bad about the Max design, it's very well-established and is reliable and accurate, it just has a small build plate. Conversely, I've heard almost nothing about the Ultra, either good or bad, because it's barely available to consumers at all at this point.
It's hard to go wrong with the Max, but the Ultra is still an unknown quantity. I always hold off for a while with new machines, just to see if there are any chronic issues that crop up after a while; the 4K definitely has problems that wouldn't have cropped up for a while after release.
 
We use Lucitone print resin and Lucitone IPN resin in Asiga Max and the Dentsply prime print. It seems to be working out. The fit is really good. Some issues with misprints with the Asiga at first. Prime print system has bugs to fix yet. Some issues with discolouration of the bases. (Needs strict cleaning protocols). Seems to be durable. I did have a breakage in one a few weeks ago but I don’t consider them to be fragile at all. Time will tell.
 
We use Lucitone print resin and Lucitone IPN resin in Asiga Max and the Dentsply prime print. It seems to be working out. The fit is really good. Some issues with misprints with the Asiga at first. Prime print system has bugs to fix yet. Some issues with discolouration of the bases. (Needs strict cleaning protocols). Seems to be durable. I did have a breakage in one a few weeks ago but I don’t consider them to be fragile at all. Time will tell.
We have a zero success with Lucitone 3D printed dentures. We were an early adapter (right around the start of covid) and had some serious breakage issues and tooth debonding. We currently use flexcera but still have some issues with those as well. All of the bases just look like bubble gum unless characterized. But we don't have any customers willing to shell out the extra money to add light cure characterization.

We currently are milling ivoclar discs for most dentures. But we still from time to time have debonding issues.
 
We have a zero success with Lucitone 3D printed dentures. We were an early adapter (right around the start of covid) and had some serious breakage issues and tooth debonding. We currently use flexcera but still have some issues with those as well. All of the bases just look like bubble gum unless characterized. But we don't have any customers willing to shell out the extra money to add light cure characterization.

We currently are milling ivoclar discs for most dentures. But we still from time to time have debonding issues.
Why not monolithic ivotion?
 
We do that as well. Price difference for customers. That most won't pay. And ivotion I would say can only handle 6 out of 10 cases.
 
We use Lucitone print resin and Lucitone IPN resin in Asiga Max and the Dentsply prime print. It seems to be working out. The fit is really good. Some issues with misprints with the Asiga at first. Prime print system has bugs to fix yet. Some issues with discolouration of the bases. (Needs strict cleaning protocols). Seems to be durable. I did have a breakage in one a few weeks ago but I don’t consider them to be fragile at all. Time will tell.
For someone starting out, would you recommend Primeprint or Asiga?
 
My primeprint has been down since April so at this point I would vote for Asiga.
 
For a first printer I'd always recommend a Phrozen or similar LCD printer, literally 1/10th the price with 95% of the capability. Put the money you'd spend on an Asiga towards the post-processing stuff you'll need, like an Otoflash with a nitrogen bottle rental. An asiga max is a capable little workhorse, to be sure, but there's a good chance you can print the resins you want in a far less... dentistry-price-inflated machine. I'm actually not sure for denture resins, but i know nanoceramic resins like Rodin Sculpture/Titan are verified for the Phrozen line, so I'd expect less technically-challenging resins to also be verified.
 
The printer is not “broken “. It just won’t print the lucitone base material. They are supposed to be sending a new one but want to verify first that it successfully prints
My personal feeling is that the base resin is too viscous and sticky compared to other resins that do print. I guess their engineers are working on it.
 
I don't know how much printing experience you have, apologies if this may come off patronizing, but- If the material is curing but you're not getting successful prints- if you're just getting supports or a raft, that kind of thing- the issue is with the part setup, not the printer. Part orientation, support density, support geometry, all of that is what matters. I would look at that first, because there's a very good chance a replacement printer will do no better. People successfully use even hobbyist printers to print materials that are significantly more challenging than lucitone base wrt viscosity, and all these printers more or less use the same mechanisms in the way we care about. You might need to tweak the material profile a bit if your light source is less intense than nominal, that kind of thing. But if you can print other resins successfully, you ought to also be able to print lucitone with that equipment given the right setup.
 
The printer is not “broken “. It just won’t print the lucitone base material. They are supposed to be sending a new one but want to verify first that it successfully prints
My personal feeling is that the base resin is too viscous and sticky compared to other resins that do print. I guess their engineers are working on it.
Do you have an Asiga printer as well and if so, have you tried it with that printer?
 
We have a zero success with Lucitone 3D printed dentures. We were an early adapter (right around the start of covid) and had some serious breakage issues and tooth debonding. We currently use flexcera but still have some issues with those as well. All of the bases just look like bubble gum unless characterized. But we don't have any customers willing to shell out the extra money to add light cure characterization.

We currently are milling ivoclar discs for most dentures. But we still from time to time have debonding issues.
What do you characterise your flexcera bases with? Also what teeth are you using with the flexcera base, carded or printed? I just purchased flexcera to test it out!
 
The primeprint uses material cartridges and it automatically dispenses the correct amount of material for the print job into the resin tray and vacuums up excess back into the cartridge internally . It cannot do this with lucitone for some reason. It confuses itself with the amount and aborts the process. This is why I feel that the material is too viscous for this to happen. These are not hobby printers that a knowledgeable person would “tinker with “
It also has its own nesting software that automatically positions the items for the most ideal printing and draining. Keep in mind that it prints and washes the items without being touched.
We do print the lucitone with the Asiga but because of the discolouration issue, we had hoped that the primeprint with it’s more automated design would solve that issue.
 
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@tuyere l’m always willing to listen and learn about how to improve the printing process. There’s not as much opportunity as I would like to see out there on what adjustments to make. We get suggestions from Dentsply that don’t work and end up finding our own way to make it work.
 
The primeprint uses material cartridges and it automatically dispenses the correct amount of material for the print job into the resin tray and vacuums up excess back into the cartridge internally . It cannot do this with lucitone for some reason. It confuses itself with the amount and aborts the process. This is why I feel that the material is too viscous for this to happen. These are not hobby printers that a knowledgeable person would “tinker with “
It also has its own nesting software that automatically positions the items for the most ideal printing and draining. Keep in mind that it prints and washes the items without being touched.
We do print the lucitone with the Asiga but because of the discolouration issue, we had hoped that the primeprint with it’s more automated design would solve that issue.
Oh, ok, yeah, that's a whole different ballgame. Can't help you there, but it sounds like you're on the right path, for what it's worth.
 
The primeprint uses material cartridges and it automatically dispenses the correct amount of material for the print job into the resin tray and vacuums up excess back into the cartridge internally . It cannot do this with lucitone for some reason. It confuses itself with the amount and aborts the process. This is why I feel that the material is too viscous for this to happen. These are not hobby printers that a knowledgeable person would “tinker with “
It also has its own nesting software that automatically positions the items for the most ideal printing and draining. Keep in mind that it prints and washes the items without being touched.
We do print the lucitone with the Asiga but because of the discolouration issue, we had hoped that the primeprint with it’s more automated design would solve that issue.
When you print with Asiga, what do you use to
1 .Clean the print (equipment)
2. Cure the print
 
1. Ackuretta cleani followed by alcohol/toothbrush scrub
2. InLab speedcure
 

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