Remote Designers?

[dentaltech0811]

Is there a market for remote crown/bridge/implant designing for dental labs?

 

[Sevan P]

Full contour, Design lab, Scan lab and so on are all remote design facilities. Their is a market but its a dog eat market.

 

[JMN]

Is there a market for remote crown/bridge/implant designing for dental labs?

Greetings Earthling! Welcome!

Unless you are really good, really fast, or preferably both, it's possible, but difficult to get enough to pay for bills on the licenses you'd need.

We have sponsors here who do offer these services. Maybe you'd be interested in working with them instead of competing with them?

 

[reqvaa]

I am interested to work with ))

 

[lucky54]

I am interested to work with ))

You are looking for a designer?

 

[reqvaa]

You are looking for a designer?

No, i am looking for an extra workload ))

hmm. maybe i need to make dental freelance site ) to help me ))

 

[Ilans]

Hi guys, did any of you hear about Dentflow.com ?

 

[NormC]

I'm thinking you'd make not much $$, as there are mega-sites in Vietnam, etc that do design for $5 (yep, 5 bucks) a unit. I've used DADL (in the Nam)--their turnaround time is fast (for designs),no so good for fabricated items.
A way to make money at this game would be to GO to one of these low-wage countries and set up your own site.

 

[Jason D]

Even $5 a unit is a steep price to pay although it’s a typical number and what the market seems to bear right now....simple singles can be designed in 3-6 minutes, so that’s a cost of $50-100$/hr if you send simple cases, and it’s hard to trust someone else’s standards with anything other than simple cases...

In round numbers a design suite is a 5 grand upfront cost and 3 grand a year for a well rounded balance of modules.

Now assume half your work is not “simple” so half your units are designed in 4.5 minutes and half are designed in 9-10 minutes. That’s an average of 7-8 units per hour, which is very reproducible.

Outsourced those units cost you $38/hour and you have to wait a day or so for them.

Insourced you have benefits and the cost of the licenses divided by those hours, adding about $9/hour if you offer great benefits....so your designer could make up to $29/hour before you hit breakeven on the outsourced cost.

That’s a great rate for an all around designer who still does simple cases...we all pay more for specialists, but for your bread and butter cases? Sure thing.

Add to that the convenience and culture
You can build with great people and the benefits
Multiply.

Of course employees get sick and you have some lunatics who do stuff that make you scratch your head, but that’s managements job - to solve or replace those kinds of problems.

I’ll hire my own employee even at a slight loss vs outsourcing because I’m building more than just today’s units, I’m building a future with a team.

 

[Analucia]

Hello.

Could you tell me who are those sponsors to work with, please?

Thank you

 

[DentalDen]

Even $5 a unit is a steep price to pay although it’s a typical number and what the market seems to bear right now....simple singles can be designed in 3-6 minutes, so that’s a cost of $50-100$/hr if you send simple cases, and it’s hard to trust someone else’s standards with anything other than simple cases...

In round numbers a design suite is a 5 grand upfront cost and 3 grand a year for a well rounded balance of modules.

Now assume half your work is not “simple” so half your units are designed in 4.5 minutes and half are designed in 9-10 minutes. That’s an average of 7-8 units per hour, which is very reproducible.

Outsourced those units cost you $38/hour and you have to wait a day or so for them.

Insourced you have benefits and the cost of the licenses divided by those hours, adding about $9/hour if you offer great benefits....so your designer could make up to $29/hour before you hit breakeven on the outsourced cost.

That’s a great rate for an all around designer who still does simple cases...we all pay more for specialists, but for your bread and butter cases? Sure thing.

Add to that the convenience and culture
You can build with great people and the benefits
Multiply.

Of course employees get sick and you have some lunatics who do stuff that make you scratch your head, but that’s managements job - to solve or replace those kinds of problems.

I’ll hire my own employee even at a slight loss vs outsourcing because I’m building more than just today’s units, I’m building a future with a team.

Well put
I agree

 

[2thm8kr]

Any computer savvy gamer can slop out a design in 2-3 minutes.
Then any other half educated/experienced tech can gripe about what was missed and how bad the design is.
In reality it takes longer than 2-3 minutes to assess the patient's situation and formulate a plan to fix their problem. If $5 is too steep, then outsource to the East, $2 or less. It should fit in perfectly with what you are expecting or already delivering.

My $2.00

 

[CoolHandLuke]

Any computer savvy gamer can slop out a design in 2-3 minutes.
Then any other half educated/experienced tech can gripe about what was missed and how bad the design is.
In reality it takes longer than 2-3 minutes to assess the patient's situation and formulate a plan to fix their problem. If $5 is too steep, then outsource to the East, $2 or less. It should fit in perfectly with what you are expecting or already delivering.

My $2.00

careful, jason might only pay 1.00 for it.

but i guess, if you don't have much you can see Miracle Max, out in the woods with his wife. and if he gives you a design that works, it'd be a miracle.

g'bye boys, have fun storming the castle!

 

[mrsohamadike]

.As an exocad designer i wish it was true, it is both an extra workload and great opportunity for work like home office for me.

 

[GG - J]

this falls under the long standing - I'll do it myself that has plagued technicians since the beginning of our industry.

why?

$2,$3,or $5 per design

LET SOMEONE LEND YOU A HAND - PAY FOR THE SERVICE

WORK SMARTER NOT HARDER

look at all the major players around this country who realized during covid they didn't need these huge office spaces and many employees still working from home - yet we are all intent on sitting in the lab micromanaging every tiny part of the process on every single cases




20 units a day- $100 in design fees - well worth it to me

 

[RileyS]

this to fall under the long standing - I'll do it myself that has plagued technicians since the beginning of our industry.

why?

$2,$3,or $5 per design

LET SOMEONE LEND YOU A HAND - PAY FOR THE SERVICE

WORK SMARTER NOT HARDER

look at all the major players around this country who realized during covid they didn't need these huge office spaces and many employees still working from home - yet we are all intent on sitting in the lab micromanaging every tiny part of the process on every single cases




20 units a day- $100 in design fees - well worth it to me

I agree 100%. Only problem is some doctors care what the esthetics of a crown look like as it applies to the form follows function rule. I tried all the big crown design places and they were just blobs that made me die inside and my clients complained about them. The **** doctors who don't care and are paying sub $100 will gobble those up from the **** labs. I feel bad for those patients, my wife and her family had that type of work and have gone through complete dental hell with terrible oral health which caused other health issues! Dental crowns DO play a big role in overall health and it's rarely discussed these days. Go look at all the doctors and labs loving the new printed crowns and showing there "great results" and you'll see a lot of design errors. I still struggle to allow our work to be a contributing factor to bad health. I truly wish I could lower my standards!

 

[Foggy_in_RI]

Imagine if the patient had more control over their prescription and how that would change the lab industry.

Picture if it was more like an eyeglass prescription. I'm able to obtain mine from my eye doctor and shop around to any supplier I want. Same thing with a prescription for medication...

Why can't basic crowns operate the same way? Patient obtains a prescription from the doctor; patient submits prescription w/scan data to a dental lab of their choice; crown is delivered to doctor; doctor schedules patient for visit to complete. Patient ultimately is responsible for the doctor's chair time- if there is an issue and it has to be remade the patient files a claim with the dental lab for reimbursement.

 

[rkm rdt]

Imagine if the patient had more control over their prescription and how that would change the lab industry.

Picture if it was more like an eyeglass prescription. I'm able to obtain mine from my eye doctor and shop around to any supplier I want. Same thing with a prescription for medication...

Why can't basic crowns operate the same way? Patient obtains a prescription from the doctor; patient submits prescription w/scan data to a dental lab of their choice; crown is delivered to doctor; doctor schedules patient for visit to complete. Patient ultimately is responsible for the doctor's chair time- if there is an issue and it has to be remade the patient files a claim with the dental lab for reimbursement.

Here in Canada, the lab fees are separate from the dentist fees. This means the patient can choose which lab fabricates their restoration.
It’s been like that since 1960.

 

[Car 54]

Here in Canada, the lab fees are separate from the dentist fees. This means the patient can choose which lab fabricates their restoration.
It’s been like that since 1960.

How do they go about choosing a lab? Does the Dr give them referrals so they're not having to Google a lab by its rating?

 

[rkm rdt]

How do they go about choosing a lab? Does the Dr give them referrals so they're not having to Google a lab by its rating?

No, most patients have no idea they can choose their lab and usually go with the drs choice.